the unfairness towards vivi

  • Опубликовано: Год назад

    eajnve

    Длительность: 08:46

    No hate directed towards BlockBerry Creative, just thought that they could atleast give ViVi the recognition she deserves.
    Please be civil in the comments section.
    Constructive criticism is allowed but any negative and malicious comments will be removed.
    #loona #vivi #sowhat
    0:00 Intro
    0:10 Screentime
    2:34 Lineup/Dance Position
    6:08 Solos
    7:11 Line Distribution
    8:22 Bonus Clip

eajnve
eajnve

after reading the comments i'd like to point some stuff out - this is a really *big* deal if you're an ot12 stan - the fact that vivi was able to debut under loona out of all the trainees just shows that she has a very big potential. the diversity in discography proves that each member of loona is versatile. it is just bbc is not really doing a good job at promoting her. so please dont assume she doesnt have good vocals or is a weak dancer. - please dont assume that she is okay with it. the recent interview (Hidden Track) proves that they are aware about themselves not getting lines. and also is affected by it. so please dont assume that she's fine while getting treated like this. - i highly doubt she got mistreated because shes a foreigner, but if it's true, then bbc is in big trouble - maybe the reason shes not talkative during interviews is just her being shy, not that she's not fluent in korean. - giving 12 members a fair line distribution is a pretty tough job, but its possible. butterfly has the fairest line distribution among the 3 title tracks. of course we cant have a fair distribution every comeback but in vivi's case she has been the bottom 3 of line distributions. the carol 2.0 is the only song with her having lines over 20+ seconds. - i have to admit that there is some kind of favoritism towards other members - everyone might have a different opinion on this, but i think chances of vivi leaving loona even after her contract ends is very slim. bbc did a poor job showcasing her talents. she will have a rough time after leaving the company. i think it's best for loona to stay as an ot12. after all, thats their main concept and what defines them. also highly doubt that bbc would ever do this, but this is what i think what vivi should get for compensation: - a new solo + a PROPER b-side - send her to do CFs - she doesnt necessarily need to be center, just dont make her look like a backup dancer - maybe 10+ seconds of ACTUAL lines, not adlibs, not the same lyrics over and over ( _i go i go_ ), just *proper* lines with the confirmation of a new album coming out, i really hope vivi gets to show her potential.

11 месяцев назад
ꨄᴋ-ᴘᴏᴘ ɢᴜʀᴜꨄ
ꨄᴋ-ᴘᴏᴘ ɢᴜʀᴜꨄ

@Jayoon Williams not yves, but defo heejin, kim lip, chuu, and jinsoul. i'm an ot12 stan and my bias is heejin but this is getting too far. i hope bbc learns a lesson and actually give vivi some proper lines, screentime, and center time.

Месяц назад
•EVERYTING ROSE NEEDS IS ON THE GROUND•
•EVERYTING ROSE NEEDS IS ON THE GROUND•

I made it 4k likes lol

2 месяца назад
James Kaprowski
James Kaprowski

@ʟᴜᴏ ʏɪ. I mean I still loved the song tho, I hated it at first and now it's one of my favorites. The line distribution is just not great. Like when we say "make it more balanced" we don't mean give 3 different members 4 seconds of lines and still give Heejin more than 20 seconds.

3 месяца назад
James Kaprowski
James Kaprowski

like in why not Heejin did not need to have a line in every section of the song, like for parts that could've gone to members with less lines they decided to give it to Heejin because they clearly favor her. I'm not saying Heejin shouldn't have lines of course and I love her voice but 20% compared to 3% is insane.

3 месяца назад
James Kaprowski
James Kaprowski

at least now we have "ooh la la wae wae an dwae an dwae" but it isn't enough. It's just clear that there are parts that they either split up a line to have Vivi do something or they could've split up other lines that are too long so Vivi could have more lines. It feels like they always default her to the back of the choreo and that's not okay.

3 месяца назад
angelica
angelica

imagine leaving ur home and job in Hong Kong to barley get lines or screen time. 😐 I fucking hate bbc, and it's not only vivi it's haseul, yeojin, hyunjin, etc. vivis voice is so underrated it's very soothing :( i rrly want her to get more lines

7 дней назад
Saurabh Mishra
Saurabh Mishra

I know this isn't fair but Vivi stole lines... If you serach up " ViVi stole all the lines"

8 дней назад
Dan Nava
Dan Nava

I don't f*cking understand why they debut big groups if they can't distribute lines or screentime fairly.

8 дней назад
조재홍
조재홍

비비가 한국어에 익숙하지 않아서 노래파트가 많지 않다는건 이해하겠는데 그럼 댄브 센터나 뮤비 스크린타임에 많이 나오게해야될거 아닌가?

9 дней назад
Nrithya
Nrithya

Gosh, its getting harder and harder to stay a strong orbit when you see this. Don't even get me started on 12:00. Sure, she got lines, but its literally the same thing as colors- super repetitive. I also feel like Why Not? is such a dumb song for Loona, a group full of vocals. Why give a rap song?!?!?! And with no hate to them, BBC needs to stop only giving lines to Heejin, Chuu, Kim Lip, Yves, and Jinsoul. I love them, I just find it frustrating that they sing and rap in songs while other members stand. If any member raps, it should be Heejin, Olivia Hye, ViVi, Gowon, and Choerry so that everyone gets lines. I better see better line and center distribution for Hyunjin, Haseul, Yeojin, ViVi, and Gowon next comeback

10 дней назад
Jas Lee' Nyan { Stan Elris }
Jas Lee' Nyan { Stan Elris }

I want the others to get more lines in the next cb :( and screen time too!

3 дня назад
Jas Lee' Nyan { Stan Elris }
Jas Lee' Nyan { Stan Elris }

I mostly see Heejin, Yves, Chuu, Kim Lip and Jinsoul get the most lines and screen time

3 дня назад
Jas Lee' Nyan { Stan Elris }
Jas Lee' Nyan { Stan Elris }

Agreed!! Omg! But I disagree about what you said about why not

3 дня назад
angelica
angelica

Yesss!

7 дней назад
Renato Digay Jr.
Renato Digay Jr.

6:10 WTF! What's the point of making a MV for it. **insert same same, but different, but still same James Franco gif**

12 дней назад
ღSandbox Yandere Gorl MVPღ
ღSandbox Yandere Gorl MVPღ

I’m trying to Stan loona and I still don’t know a lot of the members names but ik I definitely remember vivi bc vivi is the most mistreated one

14 дней назад
blackpink church girl viral wap trend tiktok 2021
blackpink church girl viral wap trend tiktok 2021

well at least vivi had more justice in 12:00 era but bbc needs to wake tf up 🔊

15 дней назад
Namjoon's lost airpods
Namjoon's lost airpods

girl worked so hard endured god knows what only to get 2.7 seconds on a song BBC do better

15 дней назад
이돼지
이돼지

Conclusion LOONA trash

18 дней назад
Hansikia Gokavarapu
Hansikia Gokavarapu

nah, just the line distribution and screen time.

17 дней назад
Rebekah M
Rebekah M

I just wanted to say something... Lets say a Loona MV is 4 minuets long and there is 12 members in the group, lets do a bit of math here... 4 minuets = 240 seconds 240 (seconds) ÷ 12 (members) = 20 (seconds per member) This means that each member could have 20 SECONDS of screen time in the MV and you're telling me she's only getting ONE damn second!! that is so unfair and this mistreatment needs to stop.

20 дней назад
bean casserole
bean casserole

im not a loona fan but their effort in the industry is so amazing not to mention the talent they hold and the choreography they slayed. ppl will see a group that has many members and when one of them are mistreated they'll be like "oh we can't focus on each member" excuse me but y'all really thought that debuting is easy? and im a carat and seventeen's screentime and distribution is very stable not that I'm bragging but what I'm saying is although they have many members doesn't mean any member would be left behind

22 дня назад
milkbread
milkbread

BBC, don’t debut a 12 member group if you’re just gonna give 9 of them lines.

22 дня назад
Harold Suarez
Harold Suarez

If I wasn't an orbit, I would mistake ViVi as one of the backup girls in So What.

26 дней назад
Jisu Yuna
Jisu Yuna

Vivi’s song is the only time I’ve heard her singing voice 😔

27 дней назад
Ahmed Warraich
Ahmed Warraich

same with gowon ;-; when she was in yyxy she went love4eva but now she's mute4eva (that wasn't my joke btw but the point still stands, our biases are pushed to the back and it hurts)

23 дня назад
_ ugh3ryxønXX _
_ ugh3ryxønXX _

oh wow vivi was the one and only to choose polish

28 дней назад
Egg Sandwich
Egg Sandwich

She was so iconic bbc had to nerf her or else she would be too powerful

29 дней назад
DanDCool
DanDCool

2:00 i mean this one is fair Cuz screen time is when they are alone right Not many of them have that much screen time right

29 дней назад
DanDCool
DanDCool

Modeling?!

29 дней назад
Nadia Bendlin
Nadia Bendlin

it like jisoo

29 дней назад
ugly oo oo
ugly oo oo

Vivi needs no lines, she is there to simply look pretty and make everyone fall in love

Месяц назад
loonapink
loonapink

she finally got some center time in why not and I’m soooo happy for her she really deserves it

Месяц назад
jisoos turtle
jisoos turtle

imagine being the parents of vivi and watching all ur daughters members get their time to shine and just dying to wait for vivi to come out

Месяц назад
MemeCore
MemeCore

Vivi having vacation all her life

Месяц назад
I have no clue either
I have no clue either

Imagine having someone as absolutely stunning as ViVi and only giving her 3 seconds

Месяц назад
latinope
latinope

I won’t lie, I stopped being a full fledged Orbit after Why Not didn’t change the distribution. I can’t be a fan of a group that doesn’t push each member equally. That defeats the purpose of putting them in a group. I love LOONA’s music and that’s all I really check out. It feels like their entire predebut process was for nothing. BBC really failed here.

Месяц назад
BigHitsLastBrainCell
BigHitsLastBrainCell

Why not treated her pretty well.

Месяц назад
_astro_
_astro_

Specially haseul

Месяц назад
Maren LLanos
Maren LLanos

in so what having her face covered makes her look like a backup dancer :(

Месяц назад
flxffypjm
flxffypjm

I’m concerned because of vivi’s lack of screentime, center time, and lines, but also because she might start resenting the members who get more. BBC and the people behind the scenes better start fixing things because I don’t want them to start feeling ill feelings towards each other for something that can be easily fixed

Месяц назад
Ευγενία Μαλέτσκα
Ευγενία Μαλέτσκα

I love that Loona adds people but you can't have random people who don't even sing or in the group have more screentime than an actual member

Месяц назад
It's Romi
It's Romi

I'm not even a Loona fan but considering Loona consists of like 4-5 members at this point, is anyone a Loona stan or is it just them since the others get dirt anyways... Like, literally only 4 of them ever get promoted and unless you are IN the fandom, you don't hear about the existence of others. Lame....

Месяц назад
It's Romi
It's Romi

she'd probably be better off not being in Loona at this point, like, they are wasting her time...

Месяц назад
Witty Username
Witty Username

And then BBC has the gall to not even TRY to promote her. Did she do the Vivi Trend? Nope, they can't even stick her in front of a camera and dance to RR for tiktok.

Месяц назад
OT7 biased Mashups
OT7 biased Mashups

I'm starting to like Loonas more recent songs but the line distribution just pisses me off.

Месяц назад
gachie onion
gachie onion

As a Heejin stan watching this I feel so bad. Like seriously BBC can easily give Vivi at least a quarter of her lines?? I feel like they are doing it on purpose at this point.

Месяц назад
Kelly Rosario
Kelly Rosario

Honestly this is the reason I struggle to Stan big groups because 3-4 of them get shadowed by their members or their company just doesn’t care enough.. I try really hard but the max I go for is like 7 members

Месяц назад
Michelle Quinn
Michelle Quinn

Here’s the thing (These are my opinions and you can disagree with them) :) personally I enjoy their music and everything else they present, but here’s my problem, there’s so many members to the point where I can’t match names to their faces making it difficult for me to understand who’s who. I personally feel that their agency kinda gave up and got a bunch of these trainees and squished them into a group, without giving full attention or notice. Another thing I dislike is the fact that since there’s so many members certain members never get enough lines, screen time, and are mistreated. this is also why I don’t always enjoy bigger girl/boy groups

Месяц назад
{ Plate }
{ Plate }

REMEMBER DONT HATE ON HEEJIN FOR GETTING THE LINES HATE BBC BECAUSE THEY CONTROL STUFF LIKE THAT. And vivi deserves wayyyy better

Месяц назад
Candi Candi
Candi Candi

One thing that bothers me is when there are people who get angry because fans claim the low line distribution of their biases or that don't appear on screens. Do you know how hard it is for an idol to have trained so much that then they just put they as a back-up dancer?

Месяц назад
Cloudoof
Cloudoof

shes always on the side in the choreo its like bbc dont want anyone to notice vivi :(

Месяц назад
TURNIP DRAWS
TURNIP DRAWS

why do i feel like the other members are uncomfortable with her just because she's from hongkong?

Месяц назад
ˋnalani
ˋnalani

why would they put her in the group and barely give her any lines... There's already enough members so they just wasted poor vivi's time. i feel as if its a set up.. I feel really bad for How they treat her. They need to do better.

Месяц назад
joy
joy

Okay for me I know vivi isn’t a great singer, she’s alright, and as a dancer she’s a pretty good idol dancer, I know she isn’t Korean and I know lines distributions are for the person that fits the lines, BUT THIS ISN’T ABOUT THAT. This is just plain unfairness and at least they should give her some screentime, or I don’t know try rapping or something but it can’t keep going like this.

Месяц назад
Ana Ortiz
Ana Ortiz

MY BABY VIVI DESERVES BETTER!!!!!

Месяц назад
amari
amari

bbc said they didnt give much lines to vivi since she was still learning which i understand, but now that she's fluent, GIRL WHERE 😭

Месяц назад
zoe
zoe

regardless im always watching vivi in the dance, maybe its a bias but i do love her

Месяц назад
son supremacy l kæty kim
son supremacy l kæty kim

this is so upsetting. WHAT IS THE POINT OF DEBUTING A 12 MEMBER GROUP WHEN ONLY 4 OF THEM ARE PROPERLY PROMOTED #vivideservesbetter

Месяц назад
k
k

so sad to see as vivi is one of my biases. so talented she deserves more lines and screen time 😭

Месяц назад
Rachel P.
Rachel P.

I feel like this can be remedied if they did more subunit releases... Yeojin is old enough that she can join one of them and that way all the members can have more lines and screen time.

Месяц назад
StrayPink98
StrayPink98

Who wants to burn BBC with me??

Месяц назад
xanduur
xanduur

Istg they put more screen time of the extras than vivi t-t

Месяц назад
Meri Shoyo Chan
Meri Shoyo Chan

I think its because she is not visual of the group and her voice just good.

Месяц назад
Amaxrathine
Amaxrathine

Heejin Kim lip and chuu get too many lines. As much as I love chuu she gets a bit too many lines. Vivi has such a cute and strong voice. And they treat her like trash when it comes to lines and screen time. And the member who I think gets too many lines is chuu and heejin for sure. Ik some people say chuu is more fitted for high notes and stuff but vivi can do that too. Have y’all heard her in ding ding ding for that little time she did her part. She deserves better treatment. And she can dance good too very good she keeps up with the other members too. Justice for vivi

Месяц назад
stan twice loona redvelvet itzy blackpink aespa
stan twice loona redvelvet itzy blackpink aespa

vivi was the reason i got into loona ( I really lovvveddd everyday i love you its one my most favorite loona solo) its sad to see her being treated like this. she has a really cute airy sorta voice which i love:( vivi i love you hun

Месяц назад
stan twice loona redvelvet itzy blackpink aespa
stan twice loona redvelvet itzy blackpink aespa

vivi deserves everything but bbc doesnt deserve her :(

Месяц назад
Klaudia Richards
Klaudia Richards

I actually screamed when she got 5 seconds i was literally so happy. In butterfly she didn't even get a whole second. The literal random dancing person got more screen time than an actual member of the group.

Месяц назад
Suni수니
Suni수니

what the hell did they make her come from china for that she has almost no leading role in the group so i prefer her to continue as a model and to stand out on magazine covers and on billboards :(

Месяц назад
martin del rio
martin del rio

haseul got more total lines than her even when she's on a break

Месяц назад
Suzie Mariah
Suzie Mariah

Im glad that receiving kind of a hype right now because she made a trend on TikTok

Месяц назад
azra
azra

if I was in a group and just moving to the backsides all the time, I'd really think to get out of the group I wish vivi doesn't think 😞

Месяц назад
tara atsila
tara atsila

Vivi is my first bias when i first stan lonna and is kinda hurt she can speak korea well just look everyday i love/need you its full of korean line she have a good vocal too please BBC give more line or screen time

Месяц назад
Aaron Singh
Aaron Singh

Let's give loona to happyface. Happyface entertainment let's dreamcatcher be themselves, they don't starve themselves, they have a voice there, they help write songs. Handong is Chinese and she gets treated just as good as the rest of the members. I'm guessing they treat vivi differently because she is from Hong Kong. Lets give Loona to Happyface entertainment.

2 месяца назад
청명
청명

hey rest assured she will find her way to many people's hearts .. i'm a korean and i had to do a little research on her to find out what her name is out of loona.. and here i am.. she'll shine through :) and such a good song she has put out! I love both versions!

2 месяца назад
FamilyBlogAffairs
FamilyBlogAffairs

this is why vivi is my bias

2 месяца назад
kenji simeon
kenji simeon

please show this video to the members of r/LOONA. they literally just let the mistreatment happen HAHAHAHA

2 месяца назад
Eddy
Eddy

If someone ever dares use the “they’re many members so they’re hard to manage” as a justification for this AGAIN I will fucking explode. She doesn’t deserve to be treated this way, they’re overshadowing her talents and her breathtaking visuals

2 месяца назад
Witty Username
Witty Username

Not to mention Starship manages WJSN's 13 members just fine.

Месяц назад
도마 PandaJoueur
도마 PandaJoueur

I think it's bc BBC don't give LOONA stable positions but they still give the same positions at the same members in the albums so It can get mess up.

2 месяца назад
도마 PandaJoueur
도마 PandaJoueur

Like okay ViVi is probably not a good dancer but for me since she was a model before, she's main visual so she need more center and more screentime.

2 месяца назад
Dim
Dim

im a new orbit, and its literally frustrating so much cause ive been seeing other vivi stuff back then, and decided to check them out. but when i looked at their stuff i rarely hear and see vivi, except for her solo ofc. like she barely gets lines, and barely gets screen time, if they want to not give her lines at leats give her a decent screen time and vice versa. but bbc is doing both. and the so what live on that one mnet video, she looks so down, but hyunjin saw her and decided to play with her near the end. i hope bbc fix their distrubiution.

2 месяца назад
Mari
Mari

It hurts knowing your bias gets less recognition

2 месяца назад
Mala Xiong
Mala Xiong

0:00 boy- if your gonna hate vivi spell imagine (I’m not saying this should be a spelling b)

2 месяца назад
milooo
milooo

as long as she's happy, im happy. Vivi has an amazing talent not everyone, barely anyone can do. If she is not happy with being in LOONA and wants to have more lines, screen time and ect. then i wouldnt be mad at her leaving the group. Hopefully if she does, she will debut with another group that will give her more lines, and i would stan her all the way.

2 месяца назад
Chenelle Santana
Chenelle Santana

It’s so sad I can imagine it must take a mental toll on her they keep shoving the same 5 girls on us what happened to the others , they are all talented but it’s like vivi isn’t even in the group .She can sing and dance and speaks another language and it’s like she’s just a backup dancer , I feel like that’s why haseul has been absent from the group because if this .

2 месяца назад
Fruit Bird
Fruit Bird

Your right except for the Haseul part. Idk if her anxiety got bad because of lines and screen time probably more than that

Месяц назад
진솔정
진솔정

Vivi는 더 많은 인정이 필요하고 훌륭한 연기자이며 매우 좋은 보컬을 가지고 있습니다 😓

2 месяца назад
Troy Nathaniel
Troy Nathaniel

*random girls got more screentime than vivi :(( it makes me sad*

2 месяца назад
radish chaewon
radish chaewon

the thing that its always yeojin vivi and haseul whos at the back, f*ck bbc

2 месяца назад
Mala Xiong
Mala Xiong

I saw in “so what” at random k VIVI ONLY HAD 2.47 LIKE WHYYYY

2 месяца назад
Leena
Leena

I’m happy that in why not era she had more lines and time on screen that always...

2 месяца назад
Føroysð
Føroysð

necesito una cancion con minimo 30 segundos que cante y aparesca en pantalla

2 месяца назад
Sap Monokploi
Sap Monokploi

Nanoseconds go up to 100 not 60. So the screentime would be less. This is just sad tbh.

3 месяца назад
Gowon Enthusiast
Gowon Enthusiast

4:58 on capital letters bcs you might miss it if you blink

3 месяца назад
도마 PandaJoueur
도마 PandaJoueur

I don't understand why when it's GoWon, Hyunjin (ok maybe not), Yeojin or ViVi, they show random people wtf

3 месяца назад
GeneralKentucky GK
GeneralKentucky GK

This is tragic

3 месяца назад
NotEileen
NotEileen

Random but everyone is talking about the unfair treatment so I’m just gonna throw in a theory. Don’t get me wrong of course they can’t use any excuses, so it’s just a theory. What if the line distributions and screen times are actually related to the LOONAVERSE? What if they actually contribute parts to the lore? 0:

3 месяца назад
Aixa :3
Aixa :3

it's sad to see that such a talented and cute girl like ViVi :( All lines go to Heejin chuu and Lip :( BBC give us a good distribution even if it's once

3 месяца назад
Enrico Cabe Isip
Enrico Cabe Isip

atleast now Vivi's line in WHY NOT? and STAR is over 5.0s and has a center line... in fact, Vivi is the center in the end of star. and has a famous line (SUNRAAAAYSSSSSSS)

3 месяца назад
Atuh Gang
Atuh Gang

I Stan all of Loona, but the fact that they treat Vivi so unfairly gets on my nerves. I really think their line distribution is a problem. ( That’s not Loona’s fault)

3 месяца назад
dino kinda sad
dino kinda sad

okay but this is so sad, she deserves better

3 месяца назад
shaygamez
shaygamez

And for the screentime for so what SHE WAS WEARING A MASK -_- edit: uhm oops almost at the end she took it off but like-

3 месяца назад
Doomer Subs
Doomer Subs

I'm I the only one who finds Vivi more eye-catching than the others members? like there´s something about her face or appearance that naturally stands out.

3 месяца назад
• lisa •
• lisa •

I dont stan much LOONA I feel beyond bad for ViVi likes people are saying in so what all she really says is "hay!" as a *background noise* (Sorry if I got anything wrong)

3 месяца назад
Vvaeng
Vvaeng

Ngl it was really hard for me to find all the members when I first got into Loona, I kept seeing the same members over and over again even though there are 12 of them

3 месяца назад
Sonofnyx
Sonofnyx

This is the same with Nayun from Momoland, MLD entertainment have gotten so bad at line distribution lately and Nayun barely gets any lines.

3 месяца назад
Only Alexz
Only Alexz

mld only care abt jooe and nancy,like a jane she's a main vocal but she always least with nayun,mld is suck

3 месяца назад
Violet B
Violet B

imagine being that talented, pretty, having such a nice personality and holding so much star quality and STILL being mistreated by your company.

3 месяца назад
Conner May
Conner May

What song was the one where she got a lot of center time in the dance

3 месяца назад
Kereel
Kereel

VIVI looks like SUNNY (SNSD)

3 месяца назад
riza loves lex
riza loves lex

but what if the mistreatment towards vivi pushes her to leave loona? if that happens, i'll never forgive bbc.

4 месяца назад
Fruit Bird
Fruit Bird

“Producers”

Месяц назад
lol
lol

i love loona and all but u cant fully enjoy it without seeing and hearing everyone tbf

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