Eurovision 2002: Fairy-tale ending | Super-cut with animated scoreboard

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    An edited down version of the Eurovision Song Contest 2002 in Tallinn with a scoreboard using today’s technology. Nothing but a fun lockdown project.
    This edit will give a flavour of the evening (25th May) with Terry Wogan’s commentary.
    And so finally, I’ve reached the end (in terms of our progress through the Contest) of the project. Twenty-two Contests edited and visualised in a (hopefully) complementary way that helps tell the story of some classic races with some classic commentary. I’ve had fun, but I’m also due a break.
    ETV winning the right to host in 2002 threw up the inevitable question of money and technical know-how. The reliable Dutch offered, and Malta too…the keenest members of the group. Although, no surprise they were mentioned, with others, in allegations of jury vote rigging again. No wonder there was a sudden uptick in 50/50 vote split this year! In the end, the Estonian government saw the opportunity to show off the new Saku Suurhall (and Estonia) and so stepped in. As did SVT, YLE and Norwegian company, VizRT.
    The collaboration at Tallinn forged a new model that would keep Eurovision growing throughout its time visiting new broadcasters. ETV wasn’t born in 1992 though, it had pedigree going back to 1955, but the show had taken a new form in 2000 and well, ETV hadn’t done anything quite on this scale. I know some of you will be pleased to see the inside of a 10,500-seater hall again :-), but most importantly the era of richer broadcasters stepping in and hosting on their own soil seemed to be over.
    Let’s be clear: this isn’t the classic ending I’d hoped for - even though the race is very close. I almost think chopping off the top two off makes for a more interesting race. ‘I Wanna’ does have the elements of a modern winner, and really is the first to discover that a good ‘act’ can do a song wonders, especially now, with the cameras unable to show shots of the orchestra. It’s a winner without substance I suppose, and I think that also goes for Malta and Estonia…note how similar they ‘feel’ in my recap at the end. Jessica Garlick has the performance of the night, blighted with a poor running order position, she ably made her way up the board to a credible fourth (yes joint third, I know).
    *DESIGN AND THE BOARD*
    So this is the first board to use VizRT - the very software I’ve made all my boards in and I guess what I mean by ‘today’s technology’. They were keen to show they were involved, and it’s around this time that British broadcasters started using Viz.
    We didn’t get a reordering scoreboard this year, but we did get a cartoon mouse. Where’s Eurocat (1990) when you need him?! This is the first show to have a theme, and the theme wasn’t that well executed to my mind, but it did ram the Estonian story into something so obtuse that it didn’t seem like Estonian history was the theme? I hope that makes sense. The board seemed cleverer than it looked though, it was certainly counting back (putting the UK fourth), and even highlighted which countries were relegated, even though it proved to be incorrect.
    The logo was great and someone had made an svg of it on Wiki, and so I lifted and animated it. Not sure where the pebbles come into the rest of the story! The logo came with an elegant use of Gill Sans, a typically British typeface from 1926. I *had* to reverse the error the designers made by picking the rather pedestrian Trebuchet MS instead. Unpopular contests tend not to have great recordings available, and that typeface doesn’t perform well under rigorous VHS degradation. Most people will know it as core Microsoft font, used in XP.
    I had the idea of each board being a slightly difference formation of colours, but then realised (as you’ve probably noticed with the song lower thirds) that you can’t read much with such strong background colours being divided behind close arranged text. So I opted for in between the stones.
    *TRANSFER NEWS* (source: Wiki)
    REL’D for this year from the bottom end of the 2001 scoreboard: ICE, NED, NOR, POL, IRE(!)
    BACK automatically (rel’d in 2000): AUT, BEL, CYP, FIN, FYROM, ROM and SUI.
    NOT BACK: Money trouble: POR.
    NED were next in line for a place due to POR stepping out, but had got the same points as relegated Latvia in ‘01. Take the last two contests, and Latvia had the higher score…so they made it through. If you want to get ahead, get a hat.
    *INTERVAL ACT*
    A classic dance interval act, starting right from an asteroid hit. Choreographed by Teet Kask.
    *CREDITS*
    @Mosè M for the comp’d vid with Wogan, @Schlagerarkivet for the original pics from TVP in Poland. The best video around!
    Flags: countryflags.com
    All Copyright belongs to ETV, BBC, EBU, LTV
    00:00 Intro
    04:47 Song super-cut
    33:55 Interval, voting intro
    39:55 The reorder board 2002
    1:28:45 Recap, data & reprise
    1:34:19 Epilogue

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A few other things I couldn’t fit in the description: - Apologies for the lateness of this, busy work and a complex production (particularly with the epilogue I made at the end) meant I just couldn’t get it out on Tuesday. As you you’ve probably read, I’m going to take a break from the channel for a while – you’ll all be focusing on the 2021 season, I’m sure! This will give me chance to do some other things, and do some fixing and updating to parts of the boards that will hopefully allow me to produce videos easier. Top of my list is something that creates a memory of the data, so when I notice an error on the final round, I don’t have to do the whole thing again! I think this will be particularly useful as errors in the voting are way more common prior to 1980! - Now I have community features, I’ll launch a few polls about how to proceed with Part Deux, so keep an eye out for those. - Back to the video…I would have loved, as a UK fan, to fit Jessica Garlick into the final top 3, but rules are rules, and the UK came fourth by any measure. Even if you apply today’s tie-breaking, the UK and Estonia received votes from the same number of countries, and so the countback still applies, and Estonia got one extra 12. The weakness of the UK’s entry is that it just doesn’t sound like a winner…Estonia’s could have been. - Special mention for Sestre – brave men doing their thing from a country not best accustomed to it. Not a great song of course, but I was pleased to see it get enough votes to avoid relegation. - Nice to see Wogan wasn’t perturbed by his slapped wrists following 2001 – he launches into similar comments about this year’s hosts. Interestingly, I gleamed from the Estonian wiki page that there was a press poll about who should host…I doesn’t seem that either Marko or Annely were on that list. - Speaking of Estonian, we arrive at the first Contest to be held in the former Soviet Union, and the first Finno-Ugric language speaking country. I enjoyed using it, there’s plenty of resources on Wiki (more than Danish) – it seems, roughly, that you use two vowels instead of one if possible!! Some unrelated country names appear, and considering the much lower prevalence of speakers of Estonian (just through population size), I’ve opted for a mix on the board this time. I know there’s some that think these videos are ruined by the use of their host country language, but I have my reasons…and well…luckily I’m not forcing people to watch them (apart from my friends…they have to) :-) - There’s lots I don’t like about my own design. I think I had got past the point of continually working on it, and anyone who designs for a living will know the feeling! I don’t usually feel comfortable with unregulated lines and shapes…give me 2001’s design any day! Unfortunately, the keying I used in the editing software isn’t great with round shapes, so some of it looks a bit ropey! Overall, I think there’s lots of improvement to be made! - Speaking of the software, used in 2002 and onwards: the ability to code in the software was there, but I think it’s fair to say most broadcasters weren’t using it at this point. I’ve had training from the guy named in the 2003 scoreboard, and I didn’t realise until know how ahead of the industry he was at the time. - A brief shout out to the lovely flag illustrations in the real show…I just couldn’t work out a way of stealing them. They were by far the best part of the design, in my opinion. The song lower thirds were large weren’t they?! Shows how inefficient curves can be! - Although I dipped out of the credits early, it’s worth noting the names featured in them…this is a Scandi production…not without Estonian involvement (and money) of course. I just think it’s worth noting when people say how polished it was. The EBU exists to share good practices and to keep standards high, so there is no great example of the EBU’s raison d’etre than the shows from 2002 onwards. - Yes, I covered the maps, which weren’t too my liking, with a still of the logo…I could have perhaps done something else there. - Personal favourite of this sub-par show is Bosnia’s entry…toe tapping at the edit desk! - Really interesting that on balance, the bookies though that 2003 would be hosted in a Big 4 country. I honestly don’t know where the hype about Germany came from, but France was credible (once again), if not just a little too much Celine. The UK placing as favourite is obviously a hometown thing. I think Sweden were unlikely winners, and of course, Estonia pulling the double would have been a pleasing outcome in my mind. Although odd as she was Swedish, and the production was largely Swedish! - Talking of winners, I’m not as harsh as some on Marie N…but the reprise wasn’t great. Artists shouldn’t really be required to wear access passes during the show, in my mind! Floor managers should be up to removing it from them too! - I wondered whether something had happened to the presenter ‘cheat screens’ (the screens below them), as I thought it was odd that cue cards were used. Clearly they were a backup? On the shots from behind you can see output from the scoreboard and a white screen. I would have assumed this would have guided them through the voting without the need for cards, like in 2000 & 2001. Shortly before the voting begins, someone runs and gives Marko something…can’t tell whether this is cards, or the CD! But given that the CD wasn’t just made in a factory (Pop Idol final style) I’m wondering why this wasn’t on the stand already! There’s a story to tell there! - Talking of Pop Idol, to my count, the UK, Denmark and Spain were all related to the reality show genre that was all the rage at this point. That hall in Spain, full of fans is impressive, and I thought it was a clever way to distract from the fact the venue was smaller than 2001…small in here, but look what TVE has done in Spain! - Lovely summing up of the Contest by Wogan just before the reprise, a nice final touch. - The epilogue…I’m sure there’s mistakes in there but hopefully it gives a potted history of how we got to 2021 – obviously it can’t include everything obviously, but it keeps to the rough themes of the channel so far. - Point of note is that Serbia technically bested Latvia and Ukraine in the debut to winner race (NOT INCLUDING SWITZERLAND 1956, NETHERLANDS 1957!!!). I didn’t include it, just because of all the technicalities that pedants love. Those TV stations have been entering in one form or another since 1961, but yes, 2007 is the first year ‘Serbia’ entered and they took the crown. Quite a decade. - Really interesting to see how brief both Latvia and Estonia’s time in the sun was…since 2002 their records don’t read as nicely! Estonia sunk to 21st in 2003 and then failed to qualify from the semi-finals 9 times out of 16, but then did achieve a couple of third places when they did! Latvia haven’t been higher than fifth since 2002, failed to qualify 10 times out 16, and have come last in the semi-finals 4 times! - Ira Losco and Jessica Garlick are very similar ages, around 20/21 (I think Ira was 20)! Walk On Water is on my regular exercise play list. - And the final word goes to Colin Berry, a fine servant to Eurovision, indeed. I think we’ve lost everyone from the first in-vision announcements after 2002? Replaced with Lorraine Kelly in 2003, who was hosting the BBC Three party, I’m glad Colin didn’t have to sit through that voting sequence! Weirdly this channel started on one of Colin’s two off-years, 1980 (the other being 1998), having started in 1977. He went freelance from the BBC in 2006 and continued reading news bulletins for BBC Radio 2 (the largest radio station in the UK) until 2012. He can occasionally be heard on a local BBC station, and can be hired for voiceovers!

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eoghan obrien
eoghan obrien

When will you do part 2?

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Andriu Moonlight
Andriu Moonlight

In Spain the OT, the reality show was a huge of fans show

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Frédéric TONTON
Frédéric TONTON

thank you so much for the tremendous work you've put on for all these contests, it was just extraordinary to get the chance to watch these videos. I really love the epilogue at the end of this one, it truly looks like the fate of several characters while you're crying at the end of a great film. And the final announcement about the pre-1980 years appeared as such a surprise to me! I mean deciding to get into such business is just beyond courageous lol. Best of luck for that.

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Renat Ignatev
Renat Ignatev

When western and Scandinavian countries vote for each other: it’s ok, they vote for the song! When so do the Balkanks and Baltic: stop political voting!

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Jed Beyer
Jed Beyer

Love the guy waving an Algerian flag at 35:36! I'd love North Africa to come to Eurovision in its entirety. As for the reprise, I actually enjoyed hearing a less polished version of the song. Perhaps just because you can hear how excited she is to have won, though I also suspect there may have been some drinks flowing during the voting. Here are my rankings: 12 - Slovenia 10 - Malta 8 - Macedonia 7 - UK 6 - Switzerland 5 - France 4 - Bosnia 3 - Israel 2 - Turkey 1 - Spain If you add my points Bosnia would go up to thirteenth, Switzerland would go up to twenty first, Britain would go up to third, Macedonia would go up to joint fifteenth with Belgium (and kick Austria into the disqualification zone) and Slovenia would go up to eleventh.

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Dan
Dan

How do you make these scoreboards? I’m looking to create things like this myself and I would love some tips if that’s not too much to ask.

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Ali H
Ali H

The rudeness of the Latvian spokesperson. Sorry Ira, see you in Riga next year. Technically correct, emotionally wrong on multiple levels

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Ali H
Ali H

Terry Wogan v1: That's the old pal vote! Terry Wogan v2: You don't know where the vote is going, do ya?

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Pieńkowski Tomasz
Pieńkowski Tomasz

TVP na Żywo OMG, my country Poland

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Joey Jason Almonia
Joey Jason Almonia

Will you also include 1975-1979?

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CherMe
CherMe

I would put it like this: 1st - Latvia (beyond the questions) 2nd - Israel (should be higher) 3rd - Finland (biggest upset for me, so sad) 4th - Malta 5th - Estonia 6th - Denmark (despite the failed performance the song was extremely catchy and beautiful) 7th - Croatia 8th - Great Britain 9th - Germany (that was really cute and not bad performance) 10th - Slovenia (they're funny) 11th - Lithuania (that's cute)

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CherMe
CherMe

Thank you for your job, that's really comfortably to see)

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Tusán ESC
Tusán ESC

Terry Wogan's commentary was disgraceful. He was an imperialist who always thought the British were superior to other European nations and they were entitled to prosperity.

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Karl Downey
Karl Downey

Would love you to do the Semi-Finals next.

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riva1958 allan
riva1958 allan

Excellent once more. You put the EBU to shame ( not a hard job I admit) Now I know I’m a bit of a pedant when it comes to Eurovision, but keeping the archive for 50 years allows me to be. So Estonia came joint third with UK, as before 2004 there were joint places and count back only came in to play with the winner. It wasn’t until the semi finals started that count back applied to all places. The EBU said that it would not apply retrospectively, and therefore shared places prior to 2004 would stand. So maybe give Jessica a mention at the end. She was a nice contestant. Good wishes from chilly Glasgow

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

Thanks for commenting! And congrats on the archive...I wonder if it includes recordings of the show? I'm low on UK commentaries from pre-1979! Obviously Eurovision attracts pedants, and that's fine - I'm not arguing your case at all...in fact, I kept the commentary in where Wogan refers to the joint placing. I would have loved to put the UK in the top three edit, but since my board is doing the countback (as ETV's 'leader board' was), I kept to my own rules - mainly to protect me from accusations of UK bias and pedants comparing my previous work. Look how that worked out! I know it's rather nuanced for me to keep one tie-break system and not use the even newer one, but hey - I can't please everyone! I just went with what the code was working out for me, and adding in a joint placing function was a little more complicated. In 2003, the countback for every place must have been in operation on the graphic, if not in the official ledger of results, as to order each entry in the way the LTV board did, the code had to make those decisions when every entrant (not just the leaders) had tied points. I expect the rule change in 2004 was influenced by this, but I'm not sure. PS. I do also credit Jessica with the performance of the night, and she probably should have scored higher - so you won't find a Garlick critic here! :-) All the best!

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Doggy Dog
Doggy Dog

are you gonna do 2003 even though its already animated?

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Tobish
Tobish

We were so close to lose Turkey and Austria 2003

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Laughs With Lulu
Laughs With Lulu

I was living in Spain in 2002. And everyone thought they were going to win. Being British, I actually lost a lot of friends that night 😜

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Rene
Rene

The Bosnian entry was actually sung in Serbian and English. This (I think) makes it the first contest to have the Serbian language since Malmo 1992.

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Sabahudin Dizdarevic
Sabahudin Dizdarevic

in bosnian, not serbian

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Jamie Snelling
Jamie Snelling

Fantastic video as always. Graphics look absolutely magnificent. Need I say more. Just a quick question, how do you get around the whole copyright of music? How do you put that music information? Or are you not monetised?

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

I'm not monetised, no. I could now I've reached 1000 subs, but there'll almost certainly be an issue with how much copyrighted content in on my channel. There's a clause about 'substantially altering copyrighted material', which I think I come under, but right now, YouTube goes through and finds all the songs that have been claimed in each video and automatically adds music information under them, thus all the ad payment goes to the copyright holders and not me. Some songs don't want to be getting money from YouTube for some reason, and the copyright holders block the video from being shown whilst their material is included. YouTube offer the option to silence the content, which I have to do.

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Rene
Rene

And... the Danish spokesperson represented Denmark in 2001 as a member of Rollo & King.

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Rene
Rene

Allegedly, the Russian spokesperson here is the same as in 1997 (could’ve guessed that) and 1994 (no way I’d have guessed that).

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Laughs With Lulu
Laughs With Lulu

Plastic Surgery? ;)

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Liam Pennington
Liam Pennington

Hearing Wogan's deflated "Maybe we'll see you next year" tells a tale.

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Rene
Rene

Absolutely. I feel Wogan would have been happier with any of the other top 5 songs (🇲🇹, 🇪🇪, 🇬🇧, 🇫🇷) winning this year — and rightly so. It’s a shame his commentary style becomes rather more unbearable the following year though.

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Ian Livesey
Ian Livesey

18:12 We've seen them somewhere else before haven't we?

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EuroDalmatia
EuroDalmatia

The worst event ever, with the most stupid song ever won.

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EuroDalmatia
EuroDalmatia

@Rene I can agree with you

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Rene
Rene

I didn’t mind this myself actually. ETV’s production was a step up from DR’s of 2001. It’s a shame Latvia won though — I’d have been much happier with someone else winning, particularly Estonia, United Kingdom, France or Spain.

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Joey Jason Almonia
Joey Jason Almonia

The woman has a really high pitch voice.

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Liam Pennington
Liam Pennington

I've loved all your re-ordering videos, "good job yourself" as Wogan would have said. Many moons ago, armed with a YouTube video and Excel, I would try my own exceptionally low rent version of these with use of frozen cells and the RANK function, so to see them actually realised is a joy. Good luck on wherever your journey takes you next x

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

Thanks for watching Liam!

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Will Hearte
Will Hearte

Great job! Now it's time to go to the older contests, in the good old days of Eurovision, the best years! Please, make the 1957-1979 contests! You are wonderful!

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Holgermat
Holgermat

I love the subtle message that the Russian postcard ends with "Freedom". ;)

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farmerjamez
farmerjamez

Absolutely loved this! Thank you for all the hard work. A great watch each time. Can’t wait to see what comes next!!!

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Martin Bertilsson
Martin Bertilsson

Thanks for the ending part... It was really nice recap of the latest years... and the transition from Terry to Graham... (nothing wrong with Graham either though)... Also how you show how little the scoreboard and graphics have changed in the last years... I must say I like the microsoft version 2015 best for several reasons... 1) The points don´t cover the flags (imo the easiest way to "find" countries are flags rather than text) 2) It had less in common with the other ones....

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

Yes I'm a fan of 2015 too! Slightly altered typeface and I loved the bridge motif shortly before each board showing Vienna in all it's different translations. The arrangement of current totals and awarded points was a little confusing though.

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Catherine Pearson
Catherine Pearson

Seriously - that POS song from Germany was the favourite? With that being the favourite and those Macedonian girls who couldn’t hit a note being the internet fav in 2000, had people really taken leave of their senses around the turn of the millennium?

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Rene
Rene

I think so, but if I recall correctly then Greece were the favourites in 2001 and France the 2nd favourites, so some sense then!

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Chris Oakley
Chris Oakley

A magnificent finale to Part 1 of your project - well done! I actually enjoy seeing text on the screen from the host country and was pleased to learn a little Estonian as a result! I think my interest in such things goes way back to when I collected Panini World Cup football stickers as a child in the 1980's... names like Ceskoslovensko and Magyarorszag always seemed wonderfully exotic to me!! Oh, and purely out of sheer whimsy, I sometimes wonder what magic you could create by applying your graphics and programming skills to the BBC's Election Night programmes from the past! The ability to see real-time graphs and dynamic captions would be fascinating to see, albeit as a result of much work done on your part... :)

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

Thanks Chris! All I can say to you and @Rene is that, unfortunately, you've both already paid to see my General Election coverage - for every election since 2015...that is, if you've paid for a TV licence lol. All part of the day job. The problem with elections is - they are long, and actually have a very slow turn over of numbers. I have an eye on getting hold of a football stats archive , but I know Eurovision and football probably doesn't have much cross-over.

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Rene
Rene

I would pay to see the re-order board’s election coverage!

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Denis Masha
Denis Masha

How do you make this kind of scoreboard? Do you have a tutorial or where can I learn to do something like that? PS: Amazing Scoreboard

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Denis Masha
Denis Masha

@Catherine Pearson THANK YOU!

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Catherine Pearson
Catherine Pearson

There is one - he did a video for the 1996 preselection, which also explains how he did the scoreboards.

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Ian P
Ian P

Last top 3 for the United Kingdom. So so sad.

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Rene
Rene

And one of our best songs from the UK. Had it not been for Estonia then the UK really should have won. It’s a shame the UK have been so terrible ever since!

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PonyClub
PonyClub

Terry Wogan should have retired long before this contest. What a bunch of horrible cheesy songs. I don't understand why people talk about Malta? It's a JESC song, flat an uninteresting, I can't point out a winner, or indeed any song deserving a top 10 position on a normal year.

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PonyClub
PonyClub

@Rene I would put the UK as a winner over the rest of the songs. I just can't get over that take-off-the-dress thing. It was a novelty in 81. 20 years later it's just a primitive under produced song.

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Rene
Rene

I disagree. I think this is Terry’s last good contest. He does begin to get unbearable from 2003 onwards, though. I’m not really a fan of Malta, my 11th. Though there were some good songs this year, the best of those being 🇫🇷, 🇬🇧 and 🇪🇪. Though I feel that the production and song quality is a step up from 2001, which was atrocious in my opinion.

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It's me, Ezio!
It's me, Ezio!

Is this the fairy tale ending for the reorder scoreboard? Please continue with your amazing concept until 2021 and beyond. Scoreboards since 2016 are particularly bland. Kudos for your great work.

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Daniel De Boni
Daniel De Boni

Ezio,all the graphics since 2013,except in 2015 was hired by Sweden's SVT as they have a contract and they are the backup production team.EBU and Host Broadcasters don't want put risks on the contest,as they make a new tecnologies to conect the participating countries jurys.

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Sean Wilson
Sean Wilson

Moscow 2009 certainly was epic, the first of three I was lucky enough to attend. although Oslo 2010 had a better atmosphere and Düsseldorf 2011 was impressive also...would've loved to have gone to Birmingham 1998 on home soil, as I miss the orchestra and Terry is an icon. thanks for your great videos these past months

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

Düsseldorf 2011 is a personal fave, didn't go, but I love that show and stage. Same for Copenhagen 2014 too.

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Sean Wilson
Sean Wilson

41:58 Colin Berry looking for a happy ending 😂

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Rene
Rene

I think this was Colin’s happy ending, bowing out when the UK came joint third. He’s glad he didn’t have to sit through 2003’s voting sequence, as was already pointed out.

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Nikolidakis
Nikolidakis

❤❤❤❤

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Rubén Del Moral Pin
Rubén Del Moral Pin

I would like yo thank you all this work that you have been since 1980, and for do an original scoreboards that are awesome👏👏

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Euro_Inigo
Euro_Inigo

I Never really comment on your video but i really have to comment on this one. I love the graphics,This is a masterpiece. Its awesome,cool & gorgeous.

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

Thank you for commenting! Glad you enjoyed it!

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Rene
Rene

I *think* the lead singer of the Cypriot band is the same guy who represented Cyprus in Oslo (with a much better song imo) in Oslo in 1996. Hello Konstantinos...

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Rene
Rene

And — rather controversially — given the retrospect at the end of this video, I am also leaving here my points for *2003* below: 1p 🇵🇱 Poland 2p 🇭🇷 Croatia 3p 🇷🇴 Romania 4p 🇪🇸 Spain 5p 🇫🇷 France 6p 🇪🇪 Estonia 7p 🇳🇱 Netherlands 8p 🇹🇷 Turkey 10p 🇸🇪 Sweden 12p 🇮🇸 Iceland

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GREECE
GREECE

Eurovision Elimination ep 12

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Elda Mengisto
Elda Mengisto

"If you want to get ahead, go get a hat." --Terry Wogan in one of his last witty quips. I like the scoreboard you created! You do a good job in transitioning the general art towards it. Also, I really appreciate you doing this entire project--it's not only fun, but also a nice treasure for those who love vintage Eurovision. I also like the epilogue you added, showing the UK's fall from grace in Eurovision and all the different innovations since then. (during this period, we see the rise of Turkey and Greece as Eurovision superpowers, the introduction of Balkan Ballads, and Italy returning to the contest nine years later and coming so close to victory) Sadly, I think 2002 was the worst contest ever, in terms of overall package. ETV did a decent job production-wise (including the motto), but the songs were not that great. 1978 and 1982 are also dire in terms of song-quality and production, but they at least have some gems (and good winners!) Which leads us to I Wanna--definitely one of the weaker winners, but they had a good show. Latvia had to be super lucky on multiple fronts to get to that point. My top ten: 1 pt: SLO 2 pt: DEN (considering the song quality, last place was absolutely wrong.) 3 pt: MKD 4 pt: ROU 5 pt: SWE 6 pt: CRO 7 pt: GBR 8 pt: MLT - For 2002, this song was really contemporary. Sure, it was a bit sugary for some tastes, but I like the joy and innocence in this one. Seeing as how Latvia and Malta switched places in the top, how would've 7th Wonder changed Eurovision had it won? 10 pt: EST - Yes, this was better than Everybody, in that it's contemporary and upbeat. I like how summery it is and how Sahlene delivers it. Also, it would be Estonia's last top-ten finish until 2009, where they would come near the bottom of the table and have five straight NQs in between. 12 pt: FRA - I hate saying this, but I think Il faut du temps should've won. The lyrics are good for a start, even though France would do peace songs better than this before and since (1977, 1981, and 2018 for reference). It builds up very well, owing to the songwriting involved. And Sandrine has a beautiful voice which carries it--it resembles Celine Dion (and Sandrine herself was a backing vocalist on one of Celine's albums), but it still holds up. P.S. As you were doing this project, what things did you like about older Eurovision? What changes were for the better, and which ones you wished would stay the same as it was?

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

Thanks for commenting! I'm glad you've enjoyed the videos. I think I've become fonder of the orchestra than I thought I would be, but it's not really a very scientific experiment as so much changed in 1999. I think it's generally a shame that any song, from any country can sound like any other - the UK can sound Turkish, and the Armenia entry can be an American sounding and produced performance. The orchestra essentially keeps it as a 'song' contest, rather than the 'performance' contest that it is today. But then, saying that, an orchestra/singer format may not have made it through the 00s. The BBC still has four orchestras but I doubt many smaller broadcasters do! Like I said, it's really hard to distinguish though because pop in 2002 wasn't in a great place. I think I miss smaller presenting teams too! On your other conversation, I really think the thing holding back the Contest in some ways are the broadcasters themselves. I think during the 2002-2019 period, I would have been reasonably happy for our commerical public service broadcaster, ITV (a Eurovision member, and had aired the JESC) to take over and tie our entry to a proper selection show. ITV would also be able to market and promote the song in a way the BBC can't. The counter argument to that is that music is so decentralised now, with Spotify and YouTube meaning audiences aren't stuck listening to FM radio stations to get new music. That period had a major effect in regional voting blocs in my mind. An artist in Slovenia would be heard in the other Balkan states, for example, thus their public would vote for something they know. However, now, more than ever [to quote the Israeli spokesperson], small, independent artists could strike it lucky. I think 2020 robbed us of a winner like Daði Freyr - the hype of that song is all about social media and viral content...the first TikTok winner....which grew on free publicity, so the BBC just needs to be wise to that fact. How BBC Three has promoted 'RuPaul's Drag Race' shows they have great social media management - they need to find a small artist, and make it viral.

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Rene
Rene

I’m thinking, how the hell did Denmark end up last and not, let’s say, Lithuania? Yeh, fair enough, Malene was rather nervous on the night, but with a more slick performance, it would have lifted Denmark in my ranking from 6th to 3rd. With 2002, I quite like ETV’s production and I feel there were some lovely songs in 2002 (🇪🇪, 🇬🇧, 🇫🇷, 🇪🇸, 🇫🇮, 🇩🇰, 🇸🇪, 🇧🇦 to name a few), but it’s the winner that ruins it for me unfortunately.

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Rene
Rene

Marko: “Estonian history is [...] like a happy ending”. Annely: “Just like tonight’s show!” Annely, I wouldn’t be too sure...

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Rene
Rene

I really like your restrospect at the end — it probably made me shed a tear or two. While I lament for the day the UK wins again (or top 10), I thought it would have been nice to add a few words about Ireland’s journey too — given that are the most successful ESC country in terms of 🥇 but haven’t been scoring nearly as well for the last 20-or-so years...

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

I think, with the epilogue, it was a mammoth footage collection job - I think about 11GB of videos to find tiny sections of. I really thought about doing a separate video and I felt a nice way to tie it together was the fact this year is 10 years since the UK's last top--half finish, which made it a bit more current. I could have easily mentioned the rise and fall of all nations I suppose...but yea I should have found Dustin the Turkey!

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Rene
Rene

@Elda Mengisto I’m not sure, to be honest. I feel it needs to be someone current and well known in the pop charts for the UK. But that is only part of the story — the song and performer need to be promoted like hell before the contest, the song needs to be good and it needs to be staged and performed well. I can’t speak for Ireland because I don’t have much knowledge as to who is up-and-coming in the charts AND willing to represent Ireland though I feel that RTÉ made a good decision to go with Lesley Roy again, especially given that I really liked Ireland’s 2020 entry.

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Elda Mengisto
Elda Mengisto

Who would you pick for both to represent their respective countries, if you were given carte blanche to anybody you want?

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KischteBier
KischteBier

Latvian jury fella: "Meet you in Riga next year". Interesting.

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Rene
Rene

he weren’t wrong though 😹

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Rene
Rene

I think the worst thing to have happened to the ESC is the EBU holding the copyright to the contest. This has probably been the biggest factor to make the post-2004 shows so generic, something I am no fan of. I preferred the individuality of the pre-2004 contest — I think best encapsulated by the stage used in Malmo in 1992!

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Rene
Rene

49:13 The Croatian spokesperson reminds me of a young Eamonn Holmes. On the note of Croatia, this is only the second time that Croatia gave 0 to the UK since their independent debut in 1993 — the previous time, of course, being 1995.

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KischteBier
KischteBier

What a load of rubbish all of these songs were back then - well, they are today.

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PonyClub
PonyClub

Eurovision songs nowdays are much better than the 2000s

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pointlessnostalgic78
pointlessnostalgic78

Such an amazing project! Concerning this video, I think this reorderboard lacks a bit of the wow factor that the previous ones had, but the design of the original scoreboard was already so unique and distinctive with all the pebbles that you couldn't much more than you did. Besides, the contest itself is not truly inspiring - imo the worst winner ever and in terms of songs one of the worst selection in the history of the contest - so you definitely did the best you could. The Epilogue surely gave me that wow factor though: such an excellent production. A great journey, full of info. Lovely indeed. And this brings us here. You have showed your love for the contest and the community of fans through these months helping us smile for some minutes in these difficult times. I can't wait for the second part of the project. In the meanwhile, thank you so much, once again, for all these little jewels.

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

Ahh, thank you for taking the time to leave a lovely comment. I've really enjoyed doing it, so I'm glad you've enjoyed it to! All the best for the 2021 season!

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PiRUKidding me?
PiRUKidding me?

Very bold of Romania to send Vladimir Putin, but hey he gave it a go

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PiRUKidding me?
PiRUKidding me?

@Rene Coincidence? I think NOT!

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Rene
Rene

oh wow... 😹 That explains why Russia gave it the big 12!

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Rene
Rene

I’ve posted my top 10 already however Denmark REALLY should have done better. LAST?? What were the juries and televoters thinking??

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Rene
Rene

1:35:28 Shock nul points, eh? Despite the fact I am British, we well-and-truly deserved that 0 in 2003! (We should have also done *much* worse in 1987 for that matter too...)

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Rene
Rene

@thereorderboard : Eurovision But I love how, at the point in 2003, we were responsible for the least successful song (Cry Baby) as well as the most successful song (Love Shine a Light _OR_ Save Your Kisses for Me, depending on the metric being used).

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

Ha ha I agree, but I think it shocked people generally, it got people talking about the show, anyway.

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Rene
Rene

Terry: “We might have done better if we weren’t an island”. While that may me true, remind me where Malta finished?

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Martin Bertilsson
Martin Bertilsson

Switzerland hasn't done great either... despite being both neutral and not an Island. ..

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SuperJNG18
SuperJNG18

Cyprus didn't do badly either!

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Tom Euro
Tom Euro

I’d forgotten all about that odd Lithuanian entry 🇱🇹 However I weirdly found myself enjoying it in 2021. It made me bop along

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Euro- -Towelie
Euro- -Towelie

My top 5: 1. Lithuania 2. Romania 3. Austria 4. Greece 5. Slovenia

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MrJdsworld
MrJdsworld

The first use of a very short snippet of Te Deum. Disappointing.

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Rene
Rene

I think this contest deserves a bit more love imo. Not a great winner, but some lovely songs and performances in the mix. My final points: 1p 🇧🇪 Belgium 2p 🇭🇷 Croatia 3p 🇧🇦 Bosnia-Herzegovina 4p 🇸🇪 Sweden 5p 🇩🇰 Denmark 6p 🇫🇮 Finland 7p 🇪🇸 Spain 8p 🇫🇷 France 10p 🇬🇧 United Kingdom 12p 🇪🇪 Estonia

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Steven Murphy
Steven Murphy

When you get a chance will you do the JESC scoreboards?

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Pawhlen
Pawhlen

I agree on the scoreboards, very sad that EVERYONE hosting the contest just take the scoreboard from the years before and only makes some small changes for it to fit in the theme for the actual contest. I really liked when everything with the graphics were different, It made every contest feel more unique. That has been lost with this common use of Gotham since 2013. Great job, you deserve some time off for this amazing productions. Take care and may the best song win in Rotterdam 2021

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Miro Heinonen
Miro Heinonen

Yeah, for example, the scoreboards of 2016 and 2019 were very similar to each other (just different background colors), as were 2017 and 2018.

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

Thank you! I guess the Contest has changed from a chance for each broadcaster to show if it's latest tricks to a rolling bandwagon, with a brand management that is more suited to the 21st Century I suppose - because of that, I guess the need for some continuity of brand has emerged. They want to sell the show as much as possible. The strategy did allow for it to continue to grow as it visited all the new countries during the 2000s, which is a positive! And yes, I can't wait to find out where the Contest will go next...have a great Eurovision season!

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MrJdsworld
MrJdsworld

Firstly, many congratulations on making it to the end. You’ve kept us entertained during these last difficult few months with your excellent work, and I hope you enjoy your break from all things scoreboards! A few thoughts on the contest from myself: - time hasn’t judged the 2002 contest kindly at all, but I think it’s a little unfair. There are some good songs in there, and the staging is improved on 2001 (thought not massively.) - but despite all the good songs, we had probably the worst winner of the 2000s. But in a way, it made a huge impact when compared with some other winners- it was the first winner which really embraced the importance of the “show.” If she had performed static on stage, she probably wouldn’t even have made the top 10. Or top 20. - Latvia had to get lucky three times before they even took to the stage in Tallinn. The original intention was that 22 countries would compete in 2002- it was stated during the 2001 contest that only the top 15 from 2001 would be back the next year. So Latvia’s first stroke of luck was the two additional slots for 2002. The second was when one of the two recipients (Portugal) of these extra slots withdrew. The third was the countback system in place at the time that gave Latvia the spare slot over Netherlands. - they really dialled-up the whole “the presenters are in love with each other” thing this year - you make the comment about more countries going down there 50/50 voting route. The EBU rules for 2002 actually state that a mix was the preference of the EBU in 2002, something they didn’t state in 2001. Despite that, the option was gone in 2003. - the “reverse recap” was a great idea and really helped the early runners. - what were those animated animals about?? Never had any hint why they appeared. I’ve wondered if it was sponsored related? - how the heck was that trainwreck from Germany considered a pre-contest favourite? It was nice that Corinna got her chance after 1999 but the song didn’t suit her - parallels between Estonia and Yugoslavia here, win with an inferior song, and have a host entry that should have won instead - how did that dirge from Romania do so well?? - it’s a shame Colin didn’t get a send-off. You’re right, the “elder statesman” spokespersons we saw in 1994 were gone. That said, the stupid behaviour from spokespersons hadn’t really kicked in yet in 2002. - the only spokesperson of real note (to me anyway) was Marion Rung from Finland (1962 and 1973). Also Marie Myriam from France (winner 1977) and Nusa from Slovenia (competitor 2001) - quite arrogant of the Latvian spokesperson to sign-off with “meet you in Riga next year” when the winner wasn’t confirmed (yes of course the final country to vote was going to give them 12, but still...) - unusually, this contest was repeated in the U.K. a few days later. It was repeated on BBC Choice the Wednesday after the contest.

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MrJdsworld
MrJdsworld

@Mark Davies the rules are on the myledbury.co.uk site, which is a great resource for at-the-time reports and news of the late 1990s and early 2000s contests. And you’re right, it was recommended songs expressed some national flavour. I don’t think too many took that on board...

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Rene
Rene

The only way I can think of that dirge from Romania having done so well is probably down to the vote exchanges between the countries that had used the juries...

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Mark Davies
Mark Davies

To add to your comments, I remember reading ahead of the contest that all competing entries should exhibit a "national influence", whether that was sung in a native tongue, wearing national dress, using traditional national instruments or similar. Seems that advice was missed by pretty much everybody! I cant find evidence of this now, but I definitely remember reading it way back when!

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

Thanks for commenting on these and making a great resource! Great summary of how Latvia got to be there in 2002. Interesting about the EBU preference for the split in 2002, I expect the repeal in 2003 was a result of the Norwegian newspaper story about alleged vote swapping? And yes, the last year of BBC Choice was an opportunity for things like Eurovision repeats to air...I expect focus was on the schedule for BBC Three which launched the following February.

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Adrian S
Adrian S

Thank you for this amazing journey. :-)

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MatiQ
MatiQ

Oh I see that video comes from TVP Polish television and planted british commentary.

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Laughs With Lulu
Laughs With Lulu

The best two countries in Europe ❤️🇵🇱🇬🇧

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SuperJNG18
SuperJNG18

Thank you for all your amazing work! Shame the last one has to be for (in my personal estimation) the worst edition of Eurovision yet. Not a single all-timer for me in the bunch, which I could at least say about 1986 or 2008. The top two are fine, but I suppose my guilty-pleasure favorite is Russia (also the only time I'd put Russia as my #1 for a Eurovision year...what does that say about me?). Maybe it's the fact that they don't really resemble any boy band I've ever seen in the West, but they're endearingly clumsy and the song's catchy as hell. The win for Latvia was deserved, but it's no huge favorite for me either. Good to know about Colin Berry, too. I'm doing a Eurovision "jury" project for this year's contest and if his price ain't too high, it'd be nice to bring him back to read the British results.

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SuperJNG18
SuperJNG18

@thereorderboard : Eurovision It feels more like a national final with a surprisingly diverse array of languages. It feels like you get a winner and think, "Well, that was definitely the best of the bunch. Here's hoping it does well at Eurovision when there's stronger competition...wait..."

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SuperJNG18
SuperJNG18

@thereorderboard : Eurovision It's gonna be great! (And I may need help designing a scoreboard, so I'll keep you posted on that)

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

And I'm with you on 2002, not sure what sits but sometimes I'd watch an edition and be instantly inspired by the set, or the logo or an innovation...for this I felt 'meh' about everything.

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

Ooo link to that project if you get the Big C involved!

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nadirhajjour
nadirhajjour

Did you make such a ghetto scoreboard because it was in Estonia that year? I adored all scoreboards before but this one seemed less of quality on purpose. 😜 Thank you for sharing!

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PonyClub
PonyClub

@thereorderboard : Eurovision We appreciate your efforts:) It's the winner that sucked big time.

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nadirhajjour
nadirhajjour

@thereorderboard : Eurovision haha I understand!

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

Ha I didn't intentionally make it look bad...although I am little spent on the design side. 2002 never grabbed me and I was concerned about how I would approach it, and also it's not commonly uploaded so the video footage looks worse than other years. It's one that I couldn't definitely improve on if I had 2-3 weeks break and time to think about it...as it was, I just wanted to get it out and done. Thanks for watching!

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Iko Pitsi
Iko Pitsi

Love how this was uploaded on Estonia's independence day!

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Brendan M
Brendan M

Head Iseseisvuspäeva Eesti!

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

Completely by chance, but I'm glad of the coincidence. Happy Independence Day!

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Víctor García
Víctor García

The thing is that with all the work that this carry why damn isn't these videos aren't viral

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

That's kind, Victor! Yes I am beginning to think I need to hashtag these, despite YouTube saying they don't help people find videos...I see some software generated scoreboards are in the thousands very quickly after posting. My viewership seems to have declined post 1998 - I guess these shows aren't as popular!

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Brendan M
Brendan M

GRRRRRRRRR! This brings back the sense of rage I felt when Malta (I country I have a fondness for) were robbed of victory by a strip routine. Without a doubt, the WORST WINNER EVER. Your graphics are a joy but I have to stop watching after a few rounds before the injustice unfolds. Mind you summer 2002 was a very happy period of my life so this does bring back some good memories too. Here are my points: 1pt Cyprus 2pt Denmark (did not deserve last place) 3pt Estonia 4pt Sweden 5pt United Kingdom 6pt Belgium 7pt Finland 8pt Spain and finally (and very controversially).... MALTA AND FRANCE 11 POINTS EACH!!! These are two very different songs and which one I prefer depends on my mood. Obviously Malta were robbed on the night but I think that France objectively has the better song. Also: Outside of my top 4, the ranking is not scientific.

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Rene
Rene

@Elda Mengisto Absolutely agree with all three — Si La Vie, Running Scared and Why Me. I’m not a massive fan of either 7th Wonder (11th) or I Wanna (13th) but Malta would have been slightly more deserving of the win, I feel.

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Elda Mengisto
Elda Mengisto

Hey, we share half a favorite with France! In addition, while I'm not a big fan of I Wanna, it was still somewhat enjoyable with the performance and all. I thought Si la vie est cadeau and Running Scared were even less deserving to win, and Why Me to a smaller extent. At least Lithuania gave the 12 to Latvia, because Malta losing a potential first win to countback would be quite heartbreaking.

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Rene
Rene

Basically my top 10 in a different order — though the Mediterranean countries here (Cyprus and Malta) are replaced with the post-Yugoslav countries (Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina).

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PonyClub
PonyClub

Not only a bad winner, but probably the worst ever. A low point for Eurovision which never felt so old and obsolete like that evening.

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Adrian S
Adrian S

Cheers mate!!

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Miro Heinonen
Miro Heinonen

My theory is that the reordering scoreboard was introduced in 2003 was because it was easier to see which ten countries (along with Big 4) qualified automatically for next year's final.

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Miro Heinonen
Miro Heinonen

@Daniel De Boni No, actually the reordering scoreboard was introduced in Melodifestivalen only in 2008. In 2002, it remained in performance order the whole time, except when checking which song was in the lead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dm8NdbXSkA

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Daniel De Boni
Daniel De Boni

No,the reordering scoreboarding was used for the first time on swedish melodifestivalen on the 2002 edition.As ETV and LTV has hired SVT to produce the 2002 and 2003 contests they used the same concept and the tecnologies.

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Dramatic Scar
Dramatic Scar

This looks so perfect But my question is.... WHAT IS NEXT... the following years are redundant

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

Thank you! Take a look at the end of the video...

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Kaitlin Bilous
Kaitlin Bilous

France was my winner this year.

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Sadiki Gehrmann
Sadiki Gehrmann

So excited for this one! Do you plan to do anything else on your channel since you've completed your project?

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Sadiki Gehrmann
Sadiki Gehrmann

@thereorderboard : Eurovision Interesting...

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

Yes yes, keep an eye out for some polls. I think there are some even older Contests that need some treatment.

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Ikea Idiot
Ikea Idiot

Been waiting for this! So excited! Do you know if you'll ever do 1988?

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Ikea Idiot
Ikea Idiot

@thereorderboard : Eurovision I was watching from America and was wondering if that was why. Thanks!

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thereorderboard : Eurovision
thereorderboard : Eurovision

Yea where are you watching from?

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J. T.
J. T.

It's been blocked in some countries due to copyright or some other bs reason.

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Dramatic Scar
Dramatic Scar

It is done...

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