as a judoka i always enjoy joe rogan talking about judo

Same, glad he is educated on the subject and unbiased as a bjj blackbelt

The Anti-Propagandist stick with it buddy, remember Judo is not just a combat system but a lifestyle different from BJJ.

@theanti-propagandist5116 Keep charging bro. No quitting!

Same brother....currently my 6th year of Judo and I'm loving some Muay Thai on the side!

That’s why I clicked. Lol

My Judo instructor used to say, "You can kick or punch, and that's fine, but what we do is hit the opponent with the earth." 😆 From what I've seen of Krav Maga, it's pretty much the same type of self defense techniques we learned in karate. The opponent attacks and you do this, this and this. They were called one steps because your partner did one attack and you countered with a prescribed defense. To me, the missing ingredient is sparring. If you never spar, you never really learn timing, range and footwork. And you sure as hell never learn what it's like to get hit and to keep going.

"what we do is hit the opponent with the earth." As a former judoka myself I disdain this saying, because it's overly melodramatic and actually shows that there's a lot of insecurity about judo's efficiency. Boxers seem to be much more confident about their fighting skills, cause they don't need metaphores like that.

@Adam Andrzejewski Perhaps you take things too literally... and definitely too seriously. Or as the late Warren Oates' character, SSG. Hulka, in the movie 'Stripes' would say, "Lighten up, Francis!"

luta livre has great leg locking techniks. like judo on parter

As a judoka and a former doorman, judo throwing is a finisher.

Judo and wrestling are definitely better suited to bouncers, LEOs, security personnel, etc., than Jiu-Jitsu. Judo and wrestling are about initiating the physical confrontation and manhandling people who are out of control.

It can be but having also worked in a bar (not as a doorman) I've seen people get dumped and bounce up again. Big strong people who are off their faces. It's not the for sure finisher some people think always.

@iorekby but once they are down. By goodness a subtle knee drop will keep them down. It depends on the situation. I did door work for 28 years, and I am not a big guy.

​@Scott Beddingyou talking weight or height?

@Rampage Smacks sons both 5ft 10 ,71kg

My foreman, way back in the 60s, was a judo blackbelt. He was a WW2 vet and served in the military for several years in Japan. I was in my late teens and he was in his late 40s. I was a big strong untrained country boy and he was a 160 lb "old" man. Sometimes during breaks and lunch I would "test" him. I was fascinated with all the things he could do no mater what direction I came at him and I knew he could mess me up if he wanted to. Luckily he was good natured and he liked me. RIP Preston.

Joe is spot on here. People might underestimate how proficient he is in understanding martial arts

he isn't, he's nothing but a bjj fan boy

@WACO Glider Man lol 🤡

Judo is good in most street situation but anyone with some understanding of what happens in street fights knows a lot of them have more than 2 combatants involved so going to the ground is a shit idea. But you did you and pray you don’t get kicked in the head by his buddy while your choking him out.

If someone really thinks Krav maga shit is the best, they dont understand this lol. No suprise Lex said that, he is that kind of wierdo. Joe is spot on here. In a fight, u need to be a good striker and u need to absorb punches aswell. If u then can take ur opponent to the ground and maul him, u are simply the best. The only thing u need is boxing and grappling

@SHZ just don't take them down unless you're sure they don't have friends with them otherwise you might take a boot to the skull

Judo and bjj together equals big problems for anyone. Train both 🥋👌🏻

Judo and Kickboxing is pretty well rounded fighter right there because in Judo you already have much of what bjj is

@korallrev true look at Valentina shevchenko, her style is Muay Thai & judo.and Fedor his style is combat Sambo & judo.

@Bill Cipher rhonda rousey too

Sambo...SMESH!!

Bro... judo is bjj... train judo amd striking

This is something I only realised after stopping my (very brief) foray into Judo. The thing that makes it awesome is the shifting of weight and precision of techniques. Those are things that can be transferred into any grappling sport.

Krav pulls from a bunch of different martial arts. Mainly Karate/TKD from my experience. I know Krav has a different flavors depending on the instructor, but it looks like a lot of their striking & kicking techniques resemble Karate/TKD. Now as a retired police officer, I think Krav has some great weapon disarms. They seemed to work for me and my old training partners in pressure-tested environments. But we all trained in BJJ, Judo, and Boxing with dabbling in a lot of everything else to see find the good.

Krav is a mixed martial art .... Unfortunately there are way to many schools with questionable roots and techniques out there. The organization I'm affiliated with considers it's curriculum a living document and is always subject to change. We want the best and most effective techniques across all the ranges of combat and we don't care where they come. Those techniques are encouraged to be applied with violent intent with a focus on superior physical capability and endurance. In all cases you should vet a school to the best of your ability before joining.

When krav maga guy start shooting.. there is the problem🤣

Lol, the wooden jew defending israels martial art

I started training in 1999 at 19 yrs old. I started In Filipino stick fighting, and knife defense, that went into Trapping (JKD), Thai kickboxing, and BJJ. I trained all of these at the same time, and eventually tried to incorporate particular techniques and concepts together. I did this about 15 hours per week for about 4 years. I got injured in BJJ in 2003. At that time I had been a Blue Belt when I quit. I eventually came back in late 2019 strictly in no gi BJJ. I eventually started Judo and did that for about 2 years. As an over 40 guy Judo is rough on the body to start so late. I currently should be getting my purple belt at the next promotion. I recently started stick training again. That being said, I train with absolute and I mean absolute monsters. These guys are the top of the top. One is a BJJ champion highly decorated black belt that 225 solid mussel. He has been training MMA for the past 2 years, one of the other guys is a 14-3 pro fighter. He is a BJJ black belt and is like a freaking phantom in the ring. He typically sits at 185lbs. We have a boat load of the highly skilled monsters that train and teach 30-40 hours per week every week for decades. With other monsters. These are my instructors and training partners. I currently train 10-14 hours per week, recreationally. These Krav guys have know idea what violence is. These guys can be and absolutely train everyone how to be violent and when to be violent. My primary professor always reminds us,”My Job Is to tech you violence. That is what we are learning in my gym.” Now we learn how to control that violence when, where, and why we would want to be violent. In my opinion any blue belt BJJ guy that occasionally gets hit with 4 oz gloves and learns how to throw some hands would absolutely dominate and pick apart just about any Krav guy in any fighting situation. Good dang luck with that.

Im not krav and think it mostly sucks but it isnt designed for 1v1 situations with trained fighters. Not a fair comparison imo.

@Anton De la Cruz Krav is an interesting fighting system. I looked into it a few years ago. Krav Maga isn’t a fighting style at all. It just means contact fighting. I don’t know if you have trained or been in the military. I had trained BJJ and other types of martial arts in my youth. A buddy of mine came back from basic training and out of the blue challenged me in front of our friends. He had done 2 or 3 weeks of combat training and now he was a deadly weapon that know everything I trained in. I was trying to explain that your 2-3 weeks of training doesn’t mean anything. Plus I had been training 15 per week week for years at that point. I was on the phone and handed him an aluminum training know and said ok kill me. He attacked me with this training knife I disarmed him and stabbed him. He wanted another go round. He attacked me again with my phone shouldered i stabbed him with his attack arm then disarmed him. Excuses started flowing. Then he was like no I know everything there is to know about that Jiu-jitsu. He proceeded to get submitted about 6 times in 2 minutes. He got up and just left. My point is the US army training program is the same exact concept as Krav Maga it just not marketed as well. In any martial arts training it must be trained while the body is stressed. Then while under stress practicing the technique or movement over and over again until it becomes your reaction to that stressor. Krav Maga guys just don’t do that. Now also need to know there is also no real structure in Krav. Like karate has a organization that recognizes a particular curriculum. BJJ has a lineage structure for ranking. You could go on like review some videos and literally open a school as a Krav Maga program and there is no way to vet the program or instructor. That’s kind of the biggest issue. No real accountability in the industry.

@ConveyApp thanks for the detailed reply. Yes agree with all that. Israel is selling snake oil which really just toughens up soldiers in basic training, and is slightly altered then marketed as reality based self defense for civvies. Even in israel they train filipino martial arts if they want weapons stuff, and the running joke used to be that Krav invented groin strikes. Having said that, the orientation toward reality and the conditioning are good for anybody who doesnt train, and the rbsd aspect is still good for people who train for sport, because it shows a different mindset. As much fun as we can make about 'for da streetz', there is a kernel of truth to it. Street altercations in rbsd are about lawless violence, de escalation, awareness, twitch reactions, psychology, etc, not controlled 1v1 fights. Some krav teachers also have in-ring or grappling experience and they are pretty good. I used to do friendly spars with a krav student and took turns doing anything to stop knife attacks. Now he trains with my fma instructor. However he has a broader experience and perspective than just pure fma. Thats an advantage.

@Anton De la Cruz Very true. Great comment. I also have trained and at one point was an instructor for shooting. Anyways the most important thing out of every single self defense scenario is awareness. That’s literally the most effective thing anyone can do. There is this philosophy called the 5 stupids. Don’t do stupid things, with stupid people, at stupid places, at stupid times, in stupid situations. You might be able to get away with one.

He's not wrong. Particularly against untrained opponents (which will be most self defense situations), Judo is incredible.

I've found BJJ people are so arrogant that Judo tends to be super effective against BJJists. It's just that in general judo guys dislike the whole "macho man gansta" attitude of the bjj community, so they tend not to mingle with them, as a general rule. The only caveat is that sports judo ingrains some poor fighting habits. But all you really need to do is take a moment to explain BJJ rules to Judo guys, and they will immediately adapt. For example, many Judo guys stop or just think of the throw. Terrible sports practice. Traditional judo thought of THROW-CONTROL-SUBMIT, even submissions from a standing position. That was the traditional way. Most of the time BJJ guys are so rattled from the first throw that you can actually submit them without even going to the ground, but you really have to have these things in mind as a JUdo guy.

​@David A. Rosales maybe just people that you know. I have multiple judo black belts at the bjj gym where I train. Not everybody in a martial art thinks the same. Nobody acts macho at my gym

It always depends on the circumstances Grappling in the streets is extremely risky because it puts you close enough to get stabbed or you can get jumped while on the ground The best self defense is evasion The best fighting style is whatever is available at that moment to hit But the main concern is to survive Best way to survive is to be aware, find a escape and take it Best survival technique is to run away , it's how the Shaolin monks are trained

Yeah cause boxing doesn't put you in range at all..

​​@Guy with Boxing you don't have to latch to your attacker and grapple. You manage distance, you hit on a fraction of a second, you get distance again. That's superior for most self defense scenarios, although there are some situations in which grappling is more convenient. A fight with your drunk brother in law during a wedding, for example.

@Marcos Álvarez have you ever trained in judo?

@Guy from 6 to 14. Have you ever trained Boxing or any striking?

@Marcos Álvarez from 12 onward, yes.

Some folks fear heights, because they're afraid of falling. The fall, however, isn't the problem. It's the sudden stop at the end of the fall that hurts. So got to love judo, where you take someone from their feet to throwing them to the hard, unforgiving ground.

“Unforgiving ground” Good couple of words. I’m going to use it in poetry one of these days

"Grappling! But definitely striking." - Joe Rogan

Thats a legit position. "You should know all domains, but especially grappling."

We had a BJJ guy join our K-boxing club, even though we trained Thai as well it didn't matter with free sparring at the end of class. All we wanted to learn was as much BJJ as possible then train for misery and get accustomed to it. A Krav guy came along...we learned gun disarms but the trigger guard broke his finger...he didn't come back?

I practiced Judo and Grappling myself, I'm agree that it's on the top 5 when it comes to self defense BUT, the biggest issue with them is that they are absolutely focused entirely on 1 vs 1 combat, but it's NEVER taking in consideration when it's 1 vs 2, or 3 or more And sadly, when it comes to street fights, that's MOSTLY the case, it's rare that it's a fair 1 vs 1, so I would highly advise to FIRST, know some striking to be able to face (at least trying to survive) multiple opponents and THEN learn some grappling to be able to handle very good the 1 vs 1 situation. If you have you spend all your life only practicing grappling or judo, you're overkilling it, you're the best, you're prepared blablabla, and let's say the times come, FINALLY, the first and only time in your life when you get attacked in the street, and guess what... they are 4 guys. You're screwed. All of your years and belts in BJJ or Judo are becoming instantly useless, because as soon as you grab one of the dude, the 3 others are going to smash you. The most stupid decision would be to end up on the group doing some grappling, and that's some sad truth that most people in the MMA field or on podcats like Joe Rogan or Jocko Willink or many other are just never mentioning.

100%. Well put.

As a serious BJJ/Grappling supporter..I agree with your statements..... every situation is different...1v1 ...go for the ground...1vX# stand up use space with striking first ...Its a no Brain-er really...

Thank you. I learned you can't preach a different sermon to the choir that doesn't want to hear it.

I agree but why on earth would you take a fight against 4 guys. Just run for your life.

In morocco.. people rarely take classes of martial arts.. BUT.. everybody knows how to throw people and we got name for it: Chmal or Ness... it's Judo throw.. I've seen it before where people try to fight and as soon as one them is thrown to the ground and his head make a sweet sound and is sometimes inconscious.. most of them time they deascalate from both parties

I roll with some guys in BJJ and sometimes I think "Man, I wouldn't be able to best these guys even if I had a knife". The experience you get from that is invaluable. However, you should NEVER underestimate an unexperienced guy in a self-defence situation, for they can be wild and have a very violent intent (Imagine fighting a tribesman, good luck with your martial arts).

I make it an effort to always roll with pure white belts because they just go absolutely bananas it's not even funny lol. It also keeps you sharp because most people on the street have not ever grappled, so they just work with what they got. Which is typically head locks and shitty wrestling, which can be overcome with some Jiu Jitsu.

Don't forget to, inexperienced guys on the streets have alot of experience in hurting people. Not all of them flail. They use tactics and improvised weapons among other skills

How many videos end with someone fighting one guy and end with that same guy getting dog piled by the opponents friends. There are times when grappling can be hugely effective but if I am in public and there is a chance the person I’m against has friends ready to jump in. I’m going to avoid going to the ground with him if possible.

@Mike Gilkey facts striking and throws only

Love Joe when he talks about stuff he knows. Having a balance of ground and stand up controls like judo, Hapkido, and Japanese ju jitsu. Chances are if you get into a fight, they have friends- don’t want to be stuck on the ground when their friends jump in.

Problem is that trad jj and others most often dont do live sparring

@Yeah Bee some don’t. I teach Hapkido and we do live sparring all the time.

I think that it was and would be kind of inpractical in some scenarios like in case when surface is not flat. Plus there is also issue of what if there are more then one opponents? Then going down on a ground is practicly suicide. For me it looks like those are the important elements why it was not used so often and traditional styles dont have those to such extent but it was later developed especially for practice in a dojo, gym or other place like that. Im not trying to say its bad I believe its very good but have certain disadvantages.

Hi Guys, well I trained Judo for some years (blue belt) and have been training Krav Maga since 2016. If practiced with good coaching, both are great by their own rights. It's not so much what we train but how we train. My Krav Maga Master used to be a highly world ranked professional Kickboxer and uses all his ring and realism experience in his teaching. He also teaches Krav Maga in Special Forces of my country for military purposes. This is no joke. The way we train Krav Maga it's not how other schools and organizations may train, we sparr a lot, use Judo throws, work on the floor but with anti grappling techniques, because in streetfighting it's dangerous to stay on the ground. The way we train self defense situations is always with open tasks and we have to always adapt and improvise, not with coreographed movements. We know that if we have to fight with someone with a knife, at some point there are great chances that we wil going to be cut, but we always train with that scenario in mind. I know the bad fame that Krav Maga gained because of the business interests and fake instructors. Just not judge one entire system based on bad examples.

were do you live (what country ) they train like that only in Izrael and Germany

​@Luka Suton I live and train in Lisbon, Portugal in FPKM - Federação Portuguesa de Krav Maga.

Exactly—how you train is the key.

Judo probably has the most instant stopping-power in a street self-defense situation. Muay Thai sweeps and trips too. The concrete is a vicious strike. It breaks bones and dislocates joints. You can throw someone in a T-shirt extremely hard. You can bring them to the cement like you're breaking concrete and they the head of a sledgehammer. You can alter their trajectory mid-air while multiplying the force of gravity, and angle their impact towards specific parts of the body, like the face, head, neck, shoulder or hip. Don't fight on the street.

For pure self-defence, not for having a match-fight, then Boxing + Judo is a very good combination. You just have to know what techniques not to use, ie don't use the jab from Boxing or the sacrifice techniques (I call them suicide techniques) from Judo.

As a martial artist, this is my ranking of the best martial arts you can learn 1. Gracie Jiu-jitsu (there is nothing better all around) 2. Muay Thai/lethwei 3. How to fight with a handgun (Not just pulling the trigger, but actual high-level training, tactics, shooting on the move, retention etc.) If I had to leave out one of these it would be the striking.

Muay Thai is striking you poser

I think everyone gets very myopic when it comes to martial arts. Especially about their own. First if you are training great. Everyone should train. But everyone should train to their own realities and limitations. Age, height, strength, mobility, etc. Krav is hand to hand combat. It is situational training for day-to-day street activity. If someone uses a weapon, if there is multiply attackers, attacks from behind, etc. Also, it is very rare that you will need self-defense and even more rare that you would need it against another trained professional on the street. Height, strength and skill will always win. But I like Krav for the tools it teaches you for everyday street reality. That includes what happens after the fight, hospital, court, police etc. Krav is not a martial art for tournaments, it is a whole bunch of life lessons you don't want to experience for the first time with no preparation. Like everything in life, it depends on the situation and hindsight to offer an opinion of validity. And yes, we do spar every week and we do BJJ and Mauy Tai, at least my club does.

I trained in primarily Tang Soo Do for about 3 years. With some Judo and Aikido. This was c1980. With traditional Korean instructors. I didn’t get past brown belt 2nd class. For me, I competed in 7 full contact matches. Dera I was in 2 separate altercations while still in my 20s . I was 5 9 165. My mo

At our bjj gym we do judo throws and wrestling takedowns every day. All of these moves are incorporated into grappling. You come learn bjj and leave knowing basic judo and wrestling as well. A lot of these moves are not isolated into a specific martial art, they are shared and work well together. You’ll be hard pressed to find a purple belt that doesn’t know a basic double leg or a couple of judo throws.

beware of those double legs.. they're for sport situation. You do that in self defense and you expose your back and spine.. ALL takedowns must be from a clinch position where you trip and throw the opponent.. NEVER dive down with you head to their crotch

So glad to hear Joe talking sense about Krav Mag. All that stuff is choreography and depends on you knowing exactly what your opponent is going to do. I was once watching a Ju jitsu class once and they were taking turns practicing a really impressive defence against a line-up of attackers throwing a right hand punch. It all looked super impressive until the fourth or fifth bloke got the choreography wrong and threw a left-hander and completely dropped the guy in the middle taking the line-up. It wasn't even funny at the time.

You should see Jim Careys karate instructor skit on IN LIVING COLOR,the 90s show. (He gets hurt,I'll say that)

If you are learning a martial art you are supposed to train both left and right.. it just tends to be most people are right handed so left hand attacks get neglected. If you train completely you should be able to deal with it. Nothing ever is a guarantee.. your brain has to process what's going on and you just have to deal with it the best you can.. training just helps you to deal better than without.

Not quite sure what your point here is though. Someone practicing a certain technique has someone present a random attack and they get caught out. These training methods are not sparring, it is repetitive training allowing you a chance to refine the actual technique on a range of body types. Watch the more free form training of higher grades and there is no choreography.. at least there shouldn't be.. if there is they are not training properly.

@Jim Startup You make my point for me, Jim, every real-life attack is a 'random' attack. Yes, of course, a student has to learn the basic technique but I believe that such choreography as I witnessed, under the tutalidge of a 'professor' no less, simply creates a misplaced sense of confidence, which in itself can be dangerous.

@David Mckeown my point is that's not the whole training, that's just the beginning.. an intermediate level building the skill of the technique themselves, as you get more advanced you develop the ability to adapt, be spontaneous and feel your way, based on how you are approached.. it's no longer a matter of "I could do this move now" you simply move out the way, avoid, block whatever and respond. You do something that just fits with what you are presented with, and how you are at that moment., You are able to switch between variations of techniques you know quickly should you feel something is not working. It very much becomes about feel.. That takes a lot of time and constant training. That didn't really start to happen for me till I was a brown belt, and perhaps that's also because the training expands more to things like just dealing with multiple people attacking and an anything goes, approach. The guys you watched were still very much at the beginning of learning the art. As a black belt now I don't consider myself good.. I merely realise how much better I could be, and how much there still is to learn.. the process of learning and improving doesn't end..

“Learn martial arts that work on martial artist not martial arts that work on untrained people” well said. Learn what works.

I've done martial arts for years. Best self defence is to de-escalate or walk away. Violence outside a ring is unpredictable and unfair.

Agreed. Failing that, strength & endurance and get-ups under load. I think competitive martial arts only prepare for competitions and being too optimistic about fight technique is what gets people killed.. 🙂

street fight = no weight classes, possible weapons, dirty moves are a go and the opponents "homies" who may or maybe not jump in. Sad fact: 90% of the street fights I have been in I almost alway get jumped by the guys friends or end up fighting someone 20+ pounds heavier or even even waaaay more. Never lost a match in competition(just smokers and small amatuer kickboxing bouts) with someone my size but have lost a lot on the streets kuz the dude was just way bigger then me. lol

When I was a kid I went to learn Seal Lung (little dragon🐉) a form of Kung-Fu. I watched a few competitions at that time but was most impressed by Judo competitions. They just looked more heavy duty & the art looked robust. It was interesting to learn that they taught to use someone's weight & momentum against them first, what a matador concept.. Samurai

Decades ago I trained TKD with a high level master. The master was also 4th degree judoka. He said on the street I’ll throw my opponent on concrete rather than strike.

OG Judo is actually the best martial art for self-defense/ Public Safety and MMA because it teaches you to fight from an upright position and always win the takedown! Unfortunately it got ruined by SPORT focus and lapel dependency so freestyle wrestling and Sambo took the "crown" The punchline is mixed martial arts is its own style called Pankration yet it's not a successful martial art because there's no ranking and promotion systems so in a commercialized World it can't compete with the relatively safe simple and very profitable BJJ

What do you mean by “upright” position & why is this preferable for self-defence over wrestling?

@Broski the STANDING position is a striking position while the bent-over posture for wrestling is worthless... unless you're just wrestling

OG judo IS bjj (but more).

@A Plus true but only if it's trained as a martial art not a sport, as a martial art they're nearly identical

BS. you never been in a street fight. striking is the best by far. in a streetfight, you dont know these people, you want to keep distance as much as possible to free yourself up to run away. judo is way too close quarters and also really works 1 vs 1 and even then you need to be a damn good judoka to not get shot be a striker before you can get close enough. if you are engaged with someone as a judoka, both of your hands are busy and you're wide open for attacks from a second person. any half decent puncher can keep several people away with good punches, blocking and movement. also, all these people that declare judop as good for that type of situation are always talking about some experienced senior judoka. yeah of course they're tough to handle. tell you what, try to handle a experienced striker. most people who need this are not even green belts. i've been a judoka and the greenbelts and brownbelts i've seen would be toast in a live setting vs a striker. and most people never progress farther than that. would have made more sense for them to learn some striking, blocking and movement. and some sprinting.

Spot on that also applies for other traditional martial arts like kung fu and all those techniques like tiger fist and dragon kick they might work against an untrained person on the street but against someone who actually knows what is doing it can be very impractical

The best scenario in self defense is a strike knock down or judo throw that keeps you standing up. Once you're on the ground and the guy has assistance which is not that uncommon you're in big trouble.

I love martial arts I have practiced them my entire life and will continue to for the rest of my life but I will always say the best line of defense is learn how to shoot and carry concealed. You never know what the other guy has or how many of them there are. When it comes to your life do not take chances.

That will is why l always carry blade. Not going to be good for anyone relying on grappling.

To you and Devrie. Thank you for posting that. I am at the same point in thinking. I heard Rogan and read comments here about "violence". I am a trained Martial Artist/Boxer, Kick Boxer but I do not want to be violent or fight anymore. The deal about training with killers and juiced up meat heads, hours upon hours of traing and thousands of dollars in order to learn-I have already done that. Ever since I was a kid EVERYONE knows it has a good chance of going to the ground but that is not the only means of hand-to-hand combat. Not "self-defense" but hand to hand combat. Joe Rogan can say whatever he wants because that is his job. He grezzes up and trains because he is loaded. That being said, now I pack-something. I will not say what, but I do, and I have no issues with, in general, letting someone have it to the full extent. I do not care what style someone knows. If I even think someone is going to try and put their hands on me, I will brandish and stop the person and the situation. "Not going to be good for anyone relying on grappling". There are too many men/women walking around today that think they are ruthless/invincible because they train in some form of grappling/wrestling.

Judo saved my life so many times in fights i owe everything to judo

I disagree with the statement that judo is the best martial art, but the athleticism you gain from practicing it and the skill in grappling and taking a target down are certainly more useful than say, practicing aikido. Jiu-Jitsu I only say is not a great first choice because it only works against one opponent and holds you still, which means that unlike if you say, learned a less GENERALLY effective style, like karate, but then got jumped by 2 or 3 dudes outside a bar, you don't have to grab ahold of a dude and roll on the ground to throw a strike or two as you try to escape. As someone who's had lethal weapons pulled on them, also those who tell you they could easily disarm an attacker are largely lying through their teeth, to you AND to themselves. I would say that there is no best martial art for real self-defense, because real self-defense scenarios barely ever benefit from martial arts training. Martial arts generally assume that you will not have a weapon (historically through ALL of human history, the best self-defense tactic is to carry and have a degree of competency with the weapons of the day through training) and thus also particularly badly in the modern day, assume your attacker will not be standing at least ten feet away from you with a gun. People also tend to imagine scenarios without understand the motivations behind those who may want to hurt you. Humans mainly hurt people for two things- fun and profit. In the modern day, mugging someone is almost never going to be worth your time, because people barely ever carry cash, and unless they have a contact to sell your phone to really immediately, that isn't a commodity either. They could take your credit cards and use those, but the likelihood they get caught doing that is incredibly high, and most won't bother to do that. So profit is mostly not a reason to attack people nowadays- that leaves fun. Most people don't just find it fun to bash on others without pretext, so if people are hurting you for fun, it's probably because you insulted them somehow, as in the scenario I'm imagining when I presented that, "2 or 3 dudes jump you outside a bar". Also worth noting, the NORM is going to be that you're outnumbered in that scenario. So to recap- most people who have to worry about this are people who disrespect people in public places and assume they won't get hit in the mouth. Martial arts are FUN to learn, martial arts are a great way to introduce some discipline and athleticism into your life, which everyone can benefit from! But don't go assuming that you'd win a street fight because you train Judo, or Karate, or anything else, really. Fights are chaotic, violent, messy affairs that almost never have a clean winner. If you WIN a fight with someone who, for instance, brings a friend and a knife, you may still suffer permanently from injuries you sustain in that fight. Which is why, as cringe as it sounds, the BEST self-defense skill is respect. Learn how to show people with your words and actions that you respect them, and that will deter most people who may wish to harm you. Also carry a gun.

I find it funny how people pick on certain martial arts as you say "...less GENERALLY effective style, like karate..." which is true for many people of such martial arts but not everyone. Yes, probably 95% if not higher would be hopeless in a real fight. But this is not because certain martial arts aren't effective, but more because people have no clue as to what they are learning and how to apply what they should have learned and understood. I've always found free-sparring to be a main point for teaching people. Going back and forth doing five step punching and kicking doesn't teach self-defence only helps a bit with muscle memory. This is also true with something like kata training. No, what is needed is full-on sparring where you hit and get hit. Most people don't know what it's like to be truly hit in the face or kicked in the guts. This is why people in MMA, UFC and boxers are so much more dangerous in real fights as they know how being hit feels. The average Joe doesn't face this. I always tell people learn from everything and go with the basics that will actually work. Forget the movies and their set-up fights. Even Bruce Lee admitted that he would never fight the same way he did in his movies. That was just for show. The real test comes when you're on the street or in a parking lot surrounded by concrete and standing on it. The MMA, UFC fighters and boxers don't deal with this in the octagon or ring but it makes a hell of a difference. In the end, the best defence is getting the hell out of there.

@PJ Yeah, tons of people mythologize Bruce Lee when even he himself said he wasn't a real fighter, I believe he was quoted saying something along the lines of, "Are you kidding? Benny "the Jet" would kill me in a real fight" at some point, and people still wanna pretend he was a warrior-king. Yeah, obviously the strikes from karate can be effective just the same way that any amount of blunt force trauma delivered to a target that can cause an injury is a valid strike. There are MANY ways to strike with force, and some of these are prevalent even in styles that are harder to implement than others. Capoeira for example is a VERY difficult style to use for real because it's so showy, but a fighter that is able to feint well and open up their opponent's defenses may be able to land some devastating windup kicks with it. Again though, I still say styles like karate are, "less effective" simply on the grounds that they are unarmed combat styles, and all the most effective styles of combat have always involved weaponry. This is why these unarmed styles had to be developed in the first place- when the owning of weapons by commoners was outlawed to make it easier to oppress them

​@Tom Cooney this is very true. I did karate over many years but realised learning and taking from everything possible is key. But as I said, sparring is the most effective to dealing with real life. I see so many teachers stick to the robot movements in many karate clubs, then these poor kids think they can take on a bully (like Daniel-San) and win. Most fights I see now days involve sucker punching someone. It's not a fair-for-all fight anymore. I'm now in my 60s and the last thing I want to do is fight someone. Yes, Benny "The Jet" Urquidez is a legend. A small guy but a power-house fighter. In his hey-day he was unbelievable. A true gentleman but don't pick on him. LOL! Cheers from Down Under!

@PJ Thanks for the friendly conversation. Not enough folks have the decorum and perspective to just engage in a friendly conversation about anything on the internet anymore. I appreciate you, sir.

I’m a boxer/ kick-boxer and now learning Judo. I have very strong faith in my hands and feet, but now and glad to expand into throws and ground tactics.

Strike is best but when you fight a judoka that seeks to cling on you, your strikes must be shocking powerful and accurate in the first part of the fight. Because you don't want the 2nd part of the fight on the ground. Fighting a judoka is tricky even for experience fighters as wu-shu or muay thai. You must overwhelm them with punches, kicks and determination from the start to descourage any follow up situation resulting basically in choking because this is all they do. You may study accupresure points to get out of a choke as well. Or study some judo.

if you can strike well, that's all you need. fighting a judoka (provided you can strike well) is only tricky in regulated matches. that's why you never see it on the street or even in MMA

I started Krav Maga around 4 years ago, I did it to help quit smoking, improve my fitness and gain increased confidence in having to ever defend myself or my family. I'm a retired Detective from the UK, so had always been around violence to varying degrees on a weekly basis. I was also used to having to use violence to achieve certain outcomes. For me I just wished I'd started Krav 30 years ago because it would have helped me in so many encounters I'd been in. For me, knowing how to deal quickly and forcefully with a knife to my front or back or someone swinging a bat at me is the real World scenario that I've encountered before. Yes it's basic stuff, it has to be to make it more accessible for everyone and yes it may upset many for its relatively short existence and taking from other systems but I just cannot understand the level of animosity folks have towards it, its bizarre? You strike, block, defend and disarm and also learn how to get away, what's the issue? One of the members of my club does BJJ and he had no answer to the knife disarm from behind against an ATM. Nothing wrong with that but it illustrates the point, you chose what you practice for your own purpose or experience and no one system is better than another, how could that even be measured? Quit the moaning, enjoy your training and just let people get on and do what makes them happy.

Best Krav magav guy can beat a bad jj guy and best jj guy can beat a bad Krav Magav guy. It depends on how hard individual trains on their respective martial arts, not to mention Krav magav is used in army. It's better to study different types of martial arts and make your own combo. They are not useless, if you train right and apply it. But even we'll trained guys advice to not engage anyone if they have knife, it's dangerous, doesn't matter what you learned. Each martial arts have their strength and weakness. Yeah, some people like to take sides, they attach it to their identity and feel attacked if anyone says bad about it.

@cruelworld1902  agree. Interestingly there's a 5th Dan Japanese Jiu Jitsu at my club who has just started Krav to learn a new system, his skills are incredibly impressive. Each to their own I say and just enjoy whatever it is you're learning, there's no best or worst, just what fits 👍

The problem with having a live and let live attitude is that Krav Maga people always insist that theirs is the ultimate style and that other styles are not as 'realistic' or 'effective'. Which is ridiculous on the face of it.

@Cruel World - not to mention Krav magav is used in army- In which context, it's a weapon of last resort which is only used when all else fails. Not to mention that military Krav Maga and the 'civilian' style are totally different in technique and mentality.

@Davide Melia "Krav Maga people" Not every Krav Maga person claims that. Many are humble people who just wanna learn.

Khabib once said he respects Judo the most of all the martial arts.

Interesting background his family has with Judo. I didn’t know that until recently 😮

Okay? Lol

Those Caucasian guys love Judo also the Russians they train wrestling and judo or sambo (mix of both)

Train judo for about 6 months but due to exams i decide to stop training, like i did with Karate and Kick boxing during my middle school and highschool years... But boy they are useful in a fight, we had a disagreement during sports and I've never felt more powerful, most know how to throw a punch by throw..... I always wanna train again but due to work i can't cuz i don't have time.

@Etlar M I train Jiu Jitsu and some boxing. I’ve done a few Judo lessons and it’s incredible. Going against some seasoned Judokas is a sketchy feeling because I know once they grab me… I’m in trouble because that’s exactly when I get dumped on my head lol

The people who bring up violence as a counter to learning a martial art forget that the best martial artists have only temporarily restrained their violence in order to channel it cleanly. But they haven’t forgotten violence. They can let it loose at any time, which includes that raw violence such as head butting, biting, stabbing, clawing, nut shotting, pure desire to inflict as much damage as possible

As a Muay Thai practitioner I'd love to learn some Judo too

Combines beautifully w Muay Thai clinch and sweeps

@Jugo It's like boxing with wrestling or peanut butter with jelly. It just works

Look up to Valentina Shevchenko, her fighting style is Muay Thai & Judo. Same with Fedor Emilianko: fighting style is judo and combat sambo.

@Bill Cipher I'm familiar with both of them already. Fantastic fighters, it's very elegant

@Luis Dawnfinder definitely. Boxing plus some sort of striking w low kicks plus some kind of take down grappling and submission defense= MMA

This is true if you're fighting one unarmed opponent. But if you're fighting multiple attackers (happens literally every hour) the last thing you want to do is get on the ground. If you're actually concerned with topic. Get yourself into good physical condition, become somewhat proficient in striking and grappling. And then spend the other 50% of your time becoming as deadly as possible with firearms.

The problem with Krav Maga is that it cannot be practiced close enough to reality. The advantage of combat sports used for self-defense, is that they can be practiced against a fully resisting opponent very close to reality. When this is removed from the training methodology, there is no way to know that what is trained is actually functional.

Even if you could you wouldn't, the original creator's whole philosophy was one man one punch. Guy comes you kick him in the nuts, guy kicks you, you break his knee, guy comes in to punch, you deflect and punch him at the same time. There's never a plan for when you miss. I think the art was never designed to spar, but was more relying on the fact that it's not well known and you only have to kick a guy in the nuts once, it's not like MMA where you study your opponents and think of counter strategies, have rematches etc etc.

@Geralt of Rivia Except, real fights don't work that way. I used to bounce in bars. They just ... don't.

@Edmond Dantès If you're fit, it works well enough against your average bum/junkies since you do practice kicking/punching against some bag like materials and the defense against punches or kicks when someone comes towards you, choreographed as it may be, does well enough to build some accuracy and understanding of distance in fights. You won't meet judo masters on the streets looking for trouble and i don't think it was intended for that anyways. But i get what you're saying and agree.

@Geralt of Rivia You'll meet drunk high school wrestlers on the street and get your ass handed to you if you try to use Krav Maga against one.

I’m not at all an expert on fight theory but in practice over the years, I’ve had great success with head butting. People aren’t ready for it for some reason and if you can get ahold of their head or even better if they have long enough hair in back, one to four smashes has ended every encounter without hurting my hands and fingers.

Just started judo now and it's scary sparring with the experienced guys. My instructor threw me and I wasn't expecting it, thinking he would stop short, and silly me didn't breakfall properly and it fking hurt like hell.

I've been in a couple fights in prison and judo was %100 effective against an untrained opponent and I was considered weakest of my class

I’ve learned enough jujitsu to beat most Marines i spar with or at least control them. So I’m currently studying boxing and plan doing judo when I get back from deployment. That’s gonna be my base. Striking to setup and avoid throws.

Judo, JiuJitsu and Greco Roman Wrestling are fantastic foundations ❤

Did 7 years of judo when i was a kid. Worked as a bouncer and police, can't count the number of people i've thrown on the ground with judo.

I think the best self defense martial arts to learn are these: 10. Gracie Jiujitsu 9. Muay Thai 8. Kyokushin and/or offshoots 7. Judo 6. Dutch Kickboxing 5. Lethwei 4. Shootboxing 3. Sambo 2. Sanda 1. Kudo Minimum weakpoints, maximum strongpoints. That's been my view of martial arts self defense for a long time.

As a Bob Jones Martial Arts affiliated Krav Maga instructor, I have never heard anyone saying these things about MMA, boxers, judo etc. Having a closed mind means you're gonna get your brains mashed. Every Martial Art has it's stupid trash talkers. They're the ones to avoid, not necessarily the martial art itself.

Funny story. Many years ago I was out drinking with a few people. We stopped at local college bar towards end nof evening. ! guy I was with was bragging about armwrestling prowess. Door guy took him down right handede pretty easily. Guy then said his left hand was his strong arm. Again, same result. So in his alcohol fueled arrogance, He asked if the door guy wanted to go outside. Doorman said “ You probably don’t want that but if you insist”. Well, doorman walked out first, the guy second and me with girl drinking buddy about 2 seconds after that. When we got outside , the doorguy already had him pinned to the ground with no chance to even move. 2 seconds. Tuns out he was rated 2nd in our state for Judo. Nice guy, didn’t hurt the guy.

Problem is there are almost no judo places left that teach it for self defence, it's all Olympic rules and they get more restrictive every year...

While jo is fundamentally correct about skill sets he shows his lack of street fighting experience here Combat sport and street fighting are very different and I say that as a combat athlete and someone who has had many street encounters over the years Bjj for street is not good , boxing , ability to not lose ur balance (so judo/wresting) and being physically strong are the most important skills

I started judo when I was 6, trained it until I was 10. I was a chubby kid and when I got to competitions, because of my weight I would compete with 3 year kids older than me and got murdered. I switched to basketball. Funny story aside, if you change angles of throws on somebody on street you can legit kill someone slamming them on concrete. Judokas know how to fall, regular people do not

I agree with what Joe is saying, but someone that" knows how to fight" isn't going to be trying to pick a street fight. I'm sure there are some out there, but the odds of running into someone are pretty slim in my opinion. People that know how to fight are professionals and they're not going to risk losing their fighting license for a street fight unless their life depends on it. And the financial consequences are huge, especially with cameras being everywhere nowadays.

It's a matter of perspective: - If you dedicate your life to martial arts - yes you can reach a high level in this art. - If your goal is to increase people's chance to successfully defend themselves with a moderate amount of effort like training soldiers for combat or people that don't want the life-long sport but just some self defence skills Krav Maga and other modern self defence systems may be the way to go. But it depends. If your scenario isn't fighting for your life but to defend against a drunk teenager you don't want to cripple for the rest of his life Krav Maga is the worst there is. By the way that's my biggest problem with Krav Maga: It is too brutal for many situations average civilians have. I did Judo. I can lay most persons on their back with me in full mount if I want without hurting them, it's a good moment to renegotiate the necessity to continue this.

Judo is great. It's fun to practice, keeps you healthy and strong. It also helps you make new friends with good people. I practice Jiu-Jitsu and we do a bit of Judo too.

For street fight boxing+judo is the perfect combination. Kicks are great, but you don't wanna kick in an uncontrolled environment and take the risk of fall. BJJ, amazing, but as soon as you throw your opponent you either get out or smash his head, because if don't do it he will.

Isn't Judo technically a sport like Boxing? Regardless, Judo seems ideal for "self defense". In a sense, Judo requires an attacker for it to be applied against. Krav Maga isn't really a 1 on 1 fight technique but for facing weapons or multiple opponents by taking rather than subverting initiative.

all striking arts have the same principle against multiple opponents -> take them one by one. Knife defense is top notch in original krav maga from Imi, i'll give you that.

For self defense, Judo and Kickboxing I think are the best when it comes to just grappling and just striking on the street. Judo gives you the tools to handle a BJJ and a Wrestler grappling wise; and makes you good with clinch grappling and ground grappling. You get good at throws, trips, and takedowns; pins, submissions and escapes. All in a single discipline. That's why Rhonda was so successful with grappling because in a single cohesive discipline you have aspects of clinch grappling and takedowns that are just as dangerous as a wrestler and aspects of ground grappling and submissions that are just as good as a bjj artist. Khabib, Fedor, Randy Couture, and Matt Hughes have openly praised Judo and have a high esteem for the sport. And GSP and Jon Jones have used Judo as a method to defeat opponents as well. So, some of UFC's most succesful wrestler's all either directly using Judo or having high esteem for Judo. Likewise with BJJ practitioners; Demian Maia, one of the best period has used Judo to set up his BJJ and has a black belt. Fabricio Werdum, awesome BJJ black belt, also a judo black belt. There's a lot of BJJ practitioners who have cross trained in Judo, have belts in Judo, actively use it to set up BJJ and have high esteem for it as BJJ comes from Judo. When BOTH wrestlers AND bjj artist use judo, cross train in it, and hold high regard for it you know it's truly a great discipline. FOR YOUR AVERAGE PERSON WHO CAN ONLY TRAIN IN 1 GRAPPLING DISCIPLINE, CHOOSE JUDO. Plus, it's a cohesive discipline. Kickboxing is the striking counter part to Judo; whereas Judo has points of intersectionality with the strengths of both Wrestling and Bjj in a cohesive discipline, Kickboxing has points of intersectionality with the strengths of Boxing and Muay Thai. All combinations and counters are boxing centered, so youll be able to contend with someone with the exclusive skillset of pure boxing. Everything unique about Kickboxing is in the name, it specializes in blending boxing with various forms of kicking and kneeing from other disciplines that blend punching and kicking together from different tactical models such as Muay Thai, Savate and Kyokushin. To have a COMPLETE Striking AND Grappling Game, with the MOST FINITE Discipline Selection as to allow you to Concentrate ALL of your focus in cohesive and fluid disciplines; it's hard to beat a Judo and Kickboxing combo for everyday person who want's to get better at grappling and striking. Now I don't know about Krav Maga, but FMA is a legit discipline that teaches you practical knife fighting and stick fighting techniques so if you ever need to use a knife or supplemental shank like weapon like a knife or a pen or pencil as a knife you'll be able to do so effectively. And if you ever need to use a blunt instrument as a weapon supplementing the sticks of FMA, then you'll be adequately trained. Plus, there are weapon disarms as apart of FMA, but when the disarms of knives and sticks are apart of a more comprehensive system that legitimately teaches how to actually use knives and sticks and the disarms within the system are engineered to disarm someone who knows how to properly use a knife and a stick like what's taught in FMA, then it lends credibility to the practicality of their disarms compared to other systems.

lol. I hear it all the time. Even had a guy tell me that 20 years ago he would have did a number on. I say do I get to go back 20 years to when I was actually training for combat sport. OK yes I admit I sucked at Judo in terms of competition . I was almost 40 when I started and was looking to supplement my karate training with an area where my karate was really bad. Anyway , almost got off on a tangent. What most of these Self defense guys are missing when they talk about dealing with violence is they don't actually know what violence is. I watched a vid of a guy ( in prison ) who was a trained fighter who beat the guy in a prison fight ya square one on one but the guy later proved later what the difference real violence is when blind sided the guy with a panini press stuffed in a pillow case. That s where I laugh at the guys and their ultimate self defense styles.

A true ninja would have sensed the Pannini press coming at him and sidestepped.

I was slammed on the ground by a judo black belt so hard I fractured my elbow, I weigh 94kg, he is around 80kg and he just slammed me like nothing.

whats a Kg?

@Bill Smith kilogram / kilo.

@Light worker How many feet is that?

Started in Judo in 1965 under my father. And yes it has provided many…finishes…

Here's the main problem, in a street fight you might face one drunk who is easy to handle because he's drunk, but the vast majority of street fights you will have multiple people against you, so if you are a grappling guy, (great skill as a bouncer when you have other bouncers covering for you), but if you grapple with a guy and get them on the ground the other guys with him will be lining up to kick you in the head, if you are lucky, or they will be lining up to jump into the air and come down on your head, good luck grappling then, and this is not a hypothetical situation. Cage or ring fighting does nor reflect the street, and most times it will not be one on one.

I would advise using boxing or judo , or combining the two arts or learning traditional jiu-jitsu for self defense or combat

@markdaniels4178 i would advise never leaving the house. Work remotely from home, order takeaway and groceries online and take vit d to compensate for the lack of sunlight. That's the best way to stay out of trouble IMO.

You did not just say traditional Jiu Jitsu.......

​@iorekby they probably mean Japanese Jujutsu. The thing is that most Jujutsu schools do not Spar/do actual randori. Which kills most of the art, same thing happens to Aikido and other arts.

@jestfullgremblim800 judo and boxing gives you enough combat experience to use you Jujutsu techniques .

@Dylan K yes indeed. Same thing can happen with Aikido. You will be able to use Aikido techniques if you get enough experience from martial arts like Judo and Boxing.

I trained Krav for a little over a year and thought I had it figured out, then a friend introduced me to Jiu Jitsu and I realized I didn't know sh*t. I train Jiu Jitsu now.

"The best martial arts are the martial arts that work on martial artists, not untrained people." - I forgot he used to say this way back then.

For striking I believe the combination of boxing and kyokushin is the best. For wrestling I think Judo is the way. BJJ is legit too.

Honestly in street fights, the best self defense is to run or to use a gun or to jump somebody. Street fights go left so quickly and there's no rules. The better equipped guy wins street fights, not the toughest guy.

Self defense will only really work on an untrained person. If a person has any experience with sport fighting you're in trouble.

i dont understand you dont have confidence in your training lol what difference does it make if someone else knows it as well

@Novela Ego I do sport fighting as well as self defense; so yes, I have confidence in my training.

Rolling against judo guys in BJJ class they would always trow you down but then get beat on the ground which kinda gave you false confidence because of the padded floor. If it was on concrete that takedown could finish you and even be lethal.

In the earlier/middle days of MMA judokas often seemed to get striking quicker than wrestler or bjj people. Probably due to the grip handfighting

Is that true?

@CHAMPION CHAMPSET Fedor, Akiyama, Lombard

I practise krav and I couldn't agree more, will help against ppl who can't fight and it's nice to know some self defense but against a trained fighter good luck

Judo might be an ok martial art for self defence if you're an expert at it and someone is wearing a jacket. Otherwise I would say it's pretty low on the pile. It's actually quite a challenge to throw someone which is why you don't see people been thrown that often in the UFC.

The thing is, judo throws are so good that most people don't even feel the need to talk about judo chops. Because it's just overkill at that point

I mean, Judo chops are the same as Aikido chops. They aren't meant to be used in an actual fight, they are there so you can train yoyr throws against a strike or advancing strike. And they usually are meant to represent weapons as well.

@jestfullgremblim800 common dude ofc they are effective it’s more dangerous than hitting the chin 100%

@Prying Mow i mean, yeah. But at the same time, it isn't easy to land one of those.

@jestfullgremblim800 it actually depends I prefer gaw choi you’ll hit in a whipping motion with hammer fist towards the neck I don’t wanna know what will happen if I do that to someone because there are nerves there that are really dangerous to hit and I know that for a fact I’ve done research on it lol.

@jestfullgremblim800 this way is easier to hit its like an uppercut

Joe needs to update himself on Krav Maga. Krav Maga Global (KMG) by Master Eyal Yanilov has upgraded their curriculum which now has a lot of ground fighting added to it from Judo throws to BJJ grappling and much more. Krav Maga is always evolving to meet the threats of the modern times.

Judo is such a grind, the constant getting up and getting slammed are real test to ones fortitude.

The problem with this is that Krav Maga is not being explained properly by these two the thing that separates Krav Maga from other fight styles besides it being straight for self defense is that’s the quickest way to get someone from A to B in the shortest amount of time in regards to how to fight ,bjj and judo takes years to learn where as Krav Maga only a few months

Krav seems more street practical whereas Martial Arts is more sport practical. A high level Krav vs a high level MMA fighter would be interesting to watch because Krav aims for areas that MMA intentionally avoids.

Joe: "worse place to be, in a winter jacket with a judo specialist.." Me a BJJ practitioner: **sits down on the floor** ✌️

If boxing were jujitsu, then everyone would know how to defend boxing. And people would then be saying the same thing, that its just a sport, and its lost its effectiveness. The more people know jujitsu, the more people know how to defend it, and cos of the defence, it looses its effectiveness. I imagine it would be the same for all the styles, if it were the most popular style. Jujitsu won the battle of the styles, so it was clearly the best style.

I’ve only done wrestling/BJJ but I’d love to do some judo, and more striking.

I think the best is really knowing how to tangle with both worlds. If you're in the street feel free to incorporate some Krav tactics into your established skillsetof martial arts.

I remember same debate going on again between Khabib and Kayla on one side and Cejudo, Usman, Makachev, Frankie, Gaetje on the other...... very intresting it was!

In most situations people are not squaring up to fight. Krav maga is effective in the pre-squaring off phase which is the majority of encounters for most people. What it teaches you are violent techniques that allow you to counter most close encounter interactions and gain the initiative or incapacitate by using continued violent strikes. All I’m saying is that most fights begin gradually, real world scenarios are different than a controlled UFC bout. In a UFC fight, Krav Maga would be ineffective. In a fight where two people are squaring up to fight, it would be less than ideal against anyone with judo or boxing skills. But it was not designed for that type of engagement. Krav Maga has its place. Especially in close quarter gradually escalating encounters.

I had heard that Krav Maga was started by a guy who combined boxing and Judo techniques.

Many people underestimate grappling skills. They do so at their own peril.

I loved judo wrestling and bjj but as soon as I incorporated wing Chun it all came together. The unorthodox striking as well as short trips and hand traps all came together to make a deadly style. Between my experience with all 4 martial arts I walk into any situation with my head up

Take an mma fight. You will never train wing chun again.

@:vicious: and whys that? Hand traps/pummeling for clinch work short trips. Spinning backfist, rock smash. I've fought MMA and I've done all my grappling arts with some of the best. Think I know a little more than you

Joe Rogan spitting flames and facts once again.

Judo us perfect for any self defense situation, although a little boxing knowledge can help.

Done Judo over 40 odd years ago had to sign a small book as a practitioner and not to be used in public unless it was for self defense. The thing is our instructor was fat, but boy this fella was an ex UK champ he was lethal, I !!!cough !!!! remember him showing us the tominage (spelling) that was a banned move 40 odd years ago here. But I took the training and applied it to different sports, i.e. use the opponent's own momentum against himself, so many people playing footbal aka soccer jumping on your back for a cross as soon as I feel any weight on my back whoosh I'm trying my lace and the fella is now tumbling in front of me. 😂

What Joe says is true, but it's rare to get 2 true martial artists going at it on the streets. A martial artist is a man of peace, always looking for the non violent path out of a situation. If a martial artist gets involved in a street altercation, then it's usually against someone with no, or very little combat sport training, as the more you train, the more you learn, the more you learn, the better you become, and the better you become, the less you want to use it as you know how dangerous you have become. Krav Maga have useful skills for the street, for it's rare you'll come up against a skilled fighter, as the skilled fighter doesn't go out looking for trouble, knob heads do! Sport combat is great for what it is, but a real street confrontation needs to be reality based. Weapons and multiple attackers MUST be involved in your training, and your training MUST be pressure tested. For me, the most realistic fighting system out there is being taught in Urban Combatives, headed by Lee Morrison. Check out his videos here on YouTube, pretty much as real as it comes!

I agree but there is a blind side to this and that's fighting more than 1 person. It maybe easy for a trained martial artist to take down your average idiot but when you have another person kicking you in the head while your performing a take down, it changes the dynamics drastically. And lets be honest how many 1 and 1 fights really take place in the streets in this age like 1 out of 50 the streets are filled with cowards.

Kick boxing is by far the best defense. If there's more than one guy your bjj becomes completely useless

The only issue I would have here is that it is unreasonable to compare someone with thousands of hours of training in any martial art to someone learning another on a casual level. The question isn't whether someone living and breathing Jiujitsu would beat someone doing Krav Maga two nights a week. The question is whether someone training Jiujitsu two nights a week would beat the Krav Maga guy training two nights a week. I mean the guy who is living and breathing hardcore Krav Maga for years will beat the casual Jiujitsu guy. That doesn't make it a better martial art, it's just comparing an expert in one thing to an amateur in the other. I'd also add that for the vast majority of self-defense situations most people will get into the better outcome is to control and de-escalate. One of the real benefits of jiujitsu is that it works well against opponents you don't want to hurt. Most people (especially men) are far more likely to need to deal with a drunk guy at a party that gets out of line than to be robbed at knifepoint or to be in an abduction scenario. If your toolkit consists solely of violent destructive attacks you are as good as useless in that situation.

As a rule of thumb, a true martial artist has no violence in him or her.. just calm determination to kill you if necessary

Joe put him in his place. Wise words at the end there.

If you do bjj and are advanced you also know a lot of wrestling take downs I think bjj+wrestling is the best martial arts for self defence you master both an your untouchable in a fist fight it’s easy to keep distance till you neutralise your opponent